Prescription Glasses Folks

[gonoles_1980]

I wear contacts with bi-focal safety glasses at the range, plan glass at the top, reading glasses on the bottom. My wife wears prescription safety glasses. I normally wear progressives and was thinking of getting the same in safety glasses so I would shoot with the same glasses I wear. That would only have me wearing contacts when surfing or fishing.

 

[old lady new shooter]

Yep, just center the target in the field of view, and you’ll get a nice hand-sized group at inside-the-home distances. The first time I tried that, it was because my optic battery went dead at the range and I hadn’t brought a spare with me (learning experience!) but then I realized it’s something I should be practicing anyway.

OLNS, is the light sensor inside the optic, or is it on top? If the latter, if covering it with your finger makes the dot brighter, you could tape a little piece of tinted film over the sensor to make the optic think it’s darker. You might have to remove it when shooting outdoors in the daytime if it’s co-located with the fiber optic pickup, though (I’m speculating here because I have no experience with that particular optic).

I did something similar with the annoying “auto-dimming” mirror in the Acura I used to have; it had a light sensor that would prevent the mirror from dimming during daylight, which was exceedingly annoying whenever I got an idiot on my bumper with high-beam daytime running lights at mirror height. So I stuffed a balled-up Kleenex tightly in the sensor so that the mirror always thought it was dark...worked perfectly.

It is on top. I tried holding a piece of black cardboard over it, no dot.

I think I will try calling customer service tomorrow and if they don't give me a solution I will try calling aimpoint which are way expensive but supposedly the best. They make two small ones H-2 and T-2, about $100 price difference between the two, the T-2 says it has 4 levels that work with NVD and 8 others, the H-2 has 12 levels none of which work with NVD. I do not have and was not planning to get any night vision devices, what I expected was that with the sight I would see the same thing I see without the sight, just with a red dot superimposed. I will ask them point-blank whether their product will enable me to be in semi-darkness and use the red dot to aim at something lit up. (They also have a giant heavy one for about half the price of the T-2 but I'm trying to keep the weight and bulk down.)

 

[old lady new shooter]

That’s what I was going with as a definition. Shooting without using them realizing accuracy through repetition of performing a task vs using sights.

The late Bob Munden wasn’t too shabby either.

Mind-boggling.

 

[Jeff White]

I do not have and was not planning to get any night vision devices,

You don't need to have night vision devices to use the aimpoints that have the settings for them. Those settings just illumiate the dot at a level that it's usable with NVDs. Simply ignore those 4 clicks on the power setting.

I will ask them point-blank whether their product will enable me to be in semi-darkness and use the red dot to aim at something lit up.

Yes they do, they don't depend on a photosensor to light the dot. They use the battery all the time. You can use them in all lighting from bright sunlight to total darkness.

 

[old lady new shooter]

You don't need to have night vision devices to use the aimpoints that have the settings for them. Those settings just illumiate the dot at a level that it's usable with NVDs. Simply ignore those 4 clicks on the power setting.

So in that case I could just get the H-2 (which has 12 clicks, none usable with NVDs) for $100 less than the T-2?

Yes they do, they don't depend on a photosensor to light the dot. They use the battery all the time. You can use them in all lighting from bright sunlight to total darkness.

So if I am in semi-darkness and aim at BGs who have light shining on them, I will definitely see the dot?

If the photosensor is actually the problem I wonder whether a non-solar holosun would work. But don't know if I want to take the chance of throwing more money away for a maybe if the aimpoint is a definitely.

 

[Jeff White]

So in that case I could just get the H-2 (which has 12 clicks, none usable with NVDs) for $100 less than the T-2?

Yes

So if I am in semi-darkness and aim at BGs who have light shining on them, I will definitely see the dot?

Yes

 

[old lady new shooter]

Yes




Yes

OK, thank you very much. Next job in this context: Make decision.

I wonder whether I could return the holosun...

 

[Ghost In The Fog]

However, the red dot sight I bought (Holosun HS403c) seems only to work in bright light.

I have the 503CU on my rifle and I can see the dot in any lighting conditions. If I am running drills in my home and go from a darkened room with shades drawn looking towards a window on a bright day the dot does get washed out some but it is still very much there. It was a bit irritating at first but then it became a part of the gun. At home defense distances anyway if you see the BG in the sight you will hit him. Just practice the transitions and get to know that dot. If it is not there, is it possible there is a defect with the sight? I am a huge fan of Holosun and have never had any trouble. My G19 has a 407V2 and I love it and waiting on a 507 for my wife's G19.

 

[old lady new shooter]

So, here is my update.

Re the issue with the Holosun, I decided to get the Aimpoint H-2. It is scheduled to arrive Thursday.

I have not yet gotten to the range, current weather is running in the mid-teens in the afternoons and to get there before they open I would have to leave the house by 6 a.m. which is not something my body wants to cooperate with. Have done some dry-firing in the house. Dime exercise is thankfully no problem off either shoulder (tried left one today for the first time). As long as I set up the lighting to be uniform, vision shooting off the right shoulder is pretty much working OK. Off the left shoulder I get a weird artifact where I see a sort of wiggly thin vertical red line above the red dot but not attached to it. I suspect this is due to my central vision issue which is mainly in the left eye. I guess the ticket will be whether my shots hit where I see the red dot. I will report back once I finally get to the range.

 

[entropy]

Yes, the red line is an artifact of your condition. Think of it as an extra aid in aiming, drawing the eye down to the dot.

 

[old lady new shooter]

That's what I call positive thinking!

 

[JJFitch]

Dont know why in the world this hadn't occurred to me before but I got to thinking today about us guys that cant see that great without glasses and shooting without them.

Obviously in a SD situation anything's possible and it seems reasonable to think you may have to use your firearm without the aid of prescription glasses (within reason assuming you're not completely blind w/o your glasses).

Not sure what the appropriate "training" or drills would be. I do a fair amount of point shooting anyways, I think I may really start putting it to the test.


Thoughts?

Statistically most S/D shooting occurs at about 3 yards, in less that 3 seconds and 3 rounds! During most interviews following shootings the shooter cannot recall bringing the gun to eye level.
During some (video) self defense (L/E) training, I saw the threat's gun, I fired two rounds from mid chest level as soon as my hands came together but I couldn't say for sure if I saw my sights at all. During video playback I was firing from mid chest level as soon as my hands. Exactly how we had been training for close quarters training. The training was at 3, 7 and 10 yards to the threat. All shots were COM (A Zone hits)!

So this might give some perspective to the issue.

Remember that you are responsible for every round you fire. If there are innocents near by or you cannot be certain of your target it may be prudent to withhold your fire!

Getting some form of sighting assistance makes sense, MRD or Laser!

Smiles,

 

[old lady new shooter]

So, here is my update.

Re the issue with the Holosun, I decided to get the Aimpoint H-2. It is scheduled to arrive Thursday.

I have not yet gotten to the range, current weather is running in the mid-teens in the afternoons and to get there before they open I would have to leave the house by 6 a.m. which is not something my body wants to cooperate with. Have done some dry-firing in the house. Dime exercise is thankfully no problem off either shoulder (tried left one today for the first time). As long as I set up the lighting to be uniform, vision shooting off the right shoulder is pretty much working OK. Off the left shoulder I get a weird artifact where I see a sort of wiggly thin vertical red line above the red dot but not attached to it. I suspect this is due to my central vision issue which is mainly in the left eye. I guess the ticket will be whether my shots hit where I see the red dot. I will report back once I finally get to the range.

Still have not gotten to the range.

Put the Aimpoint on and rough-zero'd it by sighting through the bore. It is a difference like night and day compared to the Holosun. The red dot is always just there and clearly visible, I don't have to work to see it like on the Holosun. And the weird "thread" thing when mounting the gun to the left shoulder is gone.

 

[entropy]

Good to hear!