Press: "Gun shows have loopholes!" Really?

[Deanimator]

The only "loophole" they care about is your being able to buy a firearm AT ALL.

 

[liberty -r- death]

What about the parking lot across the street? It is really easy to arrange to meet somewhere off the premises. How about the McDonalds parking lot on the corner?

My guess would be that you'd be found in violation of Illinois law and required to prove you innocence. It's just how Illinois rolls.

In Illinois if you are pulled over for a traffic violation and an officer sees your Illinois Firearms Owners Identification. (FOID) He can search your vehicle because you gave him "just cause". BS for sure, but it's a fact of life in Illinois as a gun owner.

 

[nyresq]

In NY they normally have Troopers patrolling around the gunshows, across the street, down the block etc looking for people doing deals outside the show. Everyone gets a NICS check and transfers through an FFL at any NY gunshow... State law to close the "loophole".

So even if both are legal, they must use an FFL. I saw the troopers driving down to patrol a mile away in the McDonalds parking lot on the way back to the interstate at the last show I went to. They were in an unmarked car and were just watching people in the lot at the show, then drove around the area to see any deals outside the show.

And yes, they have arrested people several times at past shows.

 

[SpentCasing]

In Ohio, the gov't has as much involvement with a gun transaction (private) as a floor lamp transaction, or a garage sale (read: none) Also if I sell you a pistol or rifle and you immediately go and commit a crime, Im immune from any trial (civil or criminal).

ETA: must be Ohio resident, and of age

 

[Harley Quinn]

You can't really believe that can you If that was the case then there would be no gunshows Not that hard to close down if really that is what they want...Then watch the fur fly Be like Egypt is now

The only "loophole" they care about is your being able to buy a firearm AT ALL.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

So, if you do a transaction with a non-FFL at a gun show you are not required to file paperwork or do background checks? Is this the "loophole"? Is this all states?

Short answer: yes.

Long answer is someone thinks that putting private gun transactions back in the swap meet, bulletin board, trade newspaper, bar, parking lot at work, back row at the flea market, etc. is somehow a more controlled environment than a gun show.

I wish I as non-FFL had had the power to do background checks on some of my daughter's boyfriends when she was a teenager. The gun show loop hole is about the fact that people with used guns to swap or trade cannot qualify for an FFL for occassional gun sales and thus cannot access the instant check system.

ADDED limit: most jurisdictions. The few jurisdiction that require all private transactions go through a FFL at a gunshow are different.

According to the DOJ NIJ felon survey most criminals acquire guns from other criminals who deal in contraband (stolen goods or drugs, fences, dealers, smugglers). According to ATF less than 2% of criminals acquire guns at gun shows. So the focus of crime prevention should be .... ¿patrolling gun shows and McDonalds? ¿¿¿¿????

 

[Harley Quinn]

Well seems like the legitimate gun dealers in the border states are the ones who are supplying all the drug cartel in Mexico

The last edition of NRA Mag was mentioning the wrong direction some are going with investigations and time wasted on law abiding FFL folks...

Regards