joab
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Colt ain't what the original Colt used to be, but Norinco is about as close as you can get to the original today.
Blatantly paraphrased from the writings of 1911Tuner
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Zen21Tao
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I have a Norinco 1911 that I bought a couple years back for $350 and it is every bit as accurate and well made as any gun that I own (It is certainly as accurate as my Springfield "loaded" 1911). In fact many claim their stock Norinco is as accurate as their $2000+ target guns. Also, the Norinco may be Chinese made but it is solid forged steel and completely to spec with Colt 1911 which mean it will except just about any aftermarket 1911 part. This makes the Norinco a great platform for a custom built shooter.
ROCKSHUND
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I bought and later sold, a very lightly used, blued Norinco .45 some years ago, for $250. When I shot it, I liked it just fine.
But it's not my series 1 Kimber Custom Classic, though. -FNR.
But it's not my series 1 Kimber Custom Classic, though. -FNR.
coltrane679 said:
When I said "compare", that is clearly an opinion of which every one of us is entitled to. IMO, the RIA and Norinco do compare. Your personal attacks are both unwarranted and unnecessary. My argument was neither inane or unthoughtful. I pointed out my principles and my thoughts, and you attacked them... and me personally. That is clearly an example of what we do not wish for here on this board. :banghead:
I didn't intend to appear as if I were digging a hole. Again, I was pointing out the principles which guide my purchasing decisions. If my principles offended you, then that's just the way it is. Since everyone seems to be on the defensive now that I've voiced my opinion, I will now bow out of this thread.
Good Day.
When I said "compare", that is clearly an opinion of which every one of us is entitled to. IMO, the RIA and Norinco do compare. Your personal attacks are both unwarranted and unnecessary. My argument was neither inane or unthoughtful. I pointed out my principles and my thoughts, and you attacked them... and me personally. That is clearly an example of what we do not wish for here on this board. :banghead:
I didn't intend to appear as if I were digging a hole. Again, I was pointing out the principles which guide my purchasing decisions. If my principles offended you, then that's just the way it is. Since everyone seems to be on the defensive now that I've voiced my opinion, I will now bow out of this thread.
Good Day.
You are confusing the XD with the 1911. The XD is made in Croatia. The shield is the old emblem of the "Springfield Armory" which existed as a national armory in Springfield Mass. up until the 1960s when it was closed down.
I found this thread interesting. I have 1911s by Colt, Kimber, Springfield, DGFM and Norinco. The Norcs I have had for a while,7 or 8 years, but I did not buy them new so the Chi Coms made no money off me. One has had tritium sights added the other was extensively modified......great guns for the money. Around here in Ohio the will bring more than $400.
As to the subject of China being a rival.....kids they are a military rival and there will be a fight if they invade Taiwan. We are treaty bound to defend them. China is building up a huge number of amphibous landing craft......only one reason for that.. Despite all the biz we do with them it will not stop war. England was one of Germany's biggest trading partners prior to WWII. Germany and Imperial Russia were big trading partners prior to WWI. We did a lot of trade with Japan in the 1920s and 1930s.......don't think trade will keep us out of conflict.
We learn today that N.Korean missile was aimed at the Hawaiian Islands....had they hit the islands that would have meant war. You think China will sit by and watch us make war on N. Korea and not react....I suspect they will do the same thing they did in 1950....come streaming across the border to help that little pot bellied dog eating dictator....... Just something to think about .......
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I've got to chime in here.......last month I bought a Nork from a local shop with Hogue and origional grips for 275.00. It has barely noticable holster wear. I had been saving for a new RIA.....I'm happy...Essex
jaysouth
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I once sent a Colt Series 70 to Wilson for a trigger job and a couple of upgrades. They sent it back to me saying that the pinholeds were drilled off center and they did not want to work on my pistol. I sold the gun last year to some fool for $900. He said it was one of the best examples of Colt Manufacturing. I smiled and took his money, and congratulated him on such a fine weapon.LOL
'A fool and his money are soon parted'.
I have three 'commie' norks. Finish leaves a lot to be desired. Fit and tolerances are impeccable.
I want someone to get an experienced smith or machinest to say that a nork and RIA are comparable. That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. The tolerances in machining and heat treatment in RIAs is abomonable. Not to say the Filipinos can't make a good gun, the the RIA is junk.
I dare you, call Wilson Combat, Dawson Precision, Actions by T or Ted Yost and ask them to add a few custom touches to your RIA.
'A fool and his money are soon parted'.
I have three 'commie' norks. Finish leaves a lot to be desired. Fit and tolerances are impeccable.
I want someone to get an experienced smith or machinest to say that a nork and RIA are comparable. That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. The tolerances in machining and heat treatment in RIAs is abomonable. Not to say the Filipinos can't make a good gun, the the RIA is junk.
I dare you, call Wilson Combat, Dawson Precision, Actions by T or Ted Yost and ask them to add a few custom touches to your RIA.
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jaysouth--
Why do you hate America and the Baby Jesus? How can you subsidize our would-be commie overlords?
Why do you hate America and the Baby Jesus? How can you subsidize our would-be commie overlords?
I bought this one last Jan for $215 NIB:
Although the price tag says $249.99 I took it home after using a coupon for $10 off any purchase over $50 that I had, and also a charge card points reward for another $25 off - So my OTD price was $214.99 + Tx!!!
Not only that, but I got a 90 day warranty too - most of my collectible guns come as buyer beware only!
I also get 5 x the price in CC reward points, where each 2500 points gets another $25 gift certificate @ Gander Mtn.
I also got 2 insulated Gander logo car cups and a Gander shooting cap free with it.
I also have the box and manual and tools that came with these!
It's the most accurate and best shooting 1911 I own which includes: 1918 Colt, Argentine Sistema, Springfield WWII GI 1911A1, Series 70 Colt 1991A1.
Ron
Although the price tag says $249.99 I took it home after using a coupon for $10 off any purchase over $50 that I had, and also a charge card points reward for another $25 off - So my OTD price was $214.99 + Tx!!!
Not only that, but I got a 90 day warranty too - most of my collectible guns come as buyer beware only!
I also get 5 x the price in CC reward points, where each 2500 points gets another $25 gift certificate @ Gander Mtn.
I also got 2 insulated Gander logo car cups and a Gander shooting cap free with it.
I also have the box and manual and tools that came with these!
It's the most accurate and best shooting 1911 I own which includes: 1918 Colt, Argentine Sistema, Springfield WWII GI 1911A1, Series 70 Colt 1991A1.
Ron
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OT: I wish to hell we had Gander Mountain down here. What a great store.
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Hey Jaysouth
F.Y.I. Ted Yost laughed in my face when I asked him to install Heine Slant Pros, a C & S tactical ignition system, and a Kings bushing on my Norc. I ended up having the work done elsewhere. My Norc cost me $350.00. I have since molested it to about the tune of a grand. I would not do it over again. If I was going to do what I did, I would have started with a Springfield WWII Repro, or a Colt 70. Now that being said, I will grab up the next mint/stock Norc I see under $400.00.
F.Y.I. Ted Yost laughed in my face when I asked him to install Heine Slant Pros, a C & S tactical ignition system, and a Kings bushing on my Norc. I ended up having the work done elsewhere. My Norc cost me $350.00. I have since molested it to about the tune of a grand.
I would not do it over again. If I was going to do what I did, I would have started with a Springfield WWII Repro, or a Colt 70. Now that being said, I will grab up the next mint/stock Norc I see under $400.00.jaysouth
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coltrane,
I bought all of my norks well used. I don't think that any of my money wound
up in Mao's pocket.
You spent any money at Wal-Mart lately? Talk about subsidizing our couquerors.
Back on thread, I am disappointed that colt chose not to do my two Series 70s right, and am even more disappointed that they chose to not make it right when given the opportunity.
Norincos are still a good gun for the money, either as out-of-the-box GI clones or the base for something more special. I have had three of them smithed. Not one smith ever suggested replacing any internals. Rather a little polishing made them magic. The only legit beef I know of on a nork is that the barrels are either very good or very bad. I have been lucky, all mine have been very good.
I bought all of my norks well used. I don't think that any of my money wound
up in Mao's pocket.
You spent any money at Wal-Mart lately? Talk about subsidizing our couquerors.
Back on thread, I am disappointed that colt chose not to do my two Series 70s right, and am even more disappointed that they chose to not make it right when given the opportunity.
Norincos are still a good gun for the money, either as out-of-the-box GI clones or the base for something more special. I have had three of them smithed. Not one smith ever suggested replacing any internals. Rather a little polishing made them magic. The only legit beef I know of on a nork is that the barrels are either very good or very bad. I have been lucky, all mine have been very good.
joab
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paraphrased rehash
Think of the irony of using these guns to drive the invading yellow horde back into the sea
RonJon
I know I should be pleased for you but instead I fell this embarrassing little twinge of jealousy driven hate for you right now
robertbank
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Well we get NIB Norincos up here for $325Cdn, the Commanders and the 9MM caliber go for slightly more. I have three, one stock and the other two an A1 and Commander have had new sights installed, internals and in the case of the A1, a match barrel. In my hands no 1911 could outshoot the A1, period. Trigger breaks at an even 4#'s and the Novaks give a clear consise picture. Gun should be dehorned, bead blasted and blued but alas that will wait for another day.
For all the rantings about China since the Korean conflict, and there one could argue they were protecting their borders, China has not acted any differently than any other major power - all are in the arms business. There are no countries in the West that I am aware of that from time to time have not had a reason to blush. The sad part is we are all just people trying to get my best we can. The Chinese visitors to this province seem to be polite well educated middle class individuals with a propensity to take pictures of trees.
Nowadays if you didn't buy items Made in China you would walk around naked all day....barefoot.
Take Care
For all the rantings about China since the Korean conflict, and there one could argue they were protecting their borders, China has not acted any differently than any other major power - all are in the arms business. There are no countries in the West that I am aware of that from time to time have not had a reason to blush. The sad part is we are all just people trying to get my best we can. The Chinese visitors to this province seem to be polite well educated middle class individuals with a propensity to take pictures of trees.
Nowadays if you didn't buy items Made in China you would walk around naked all day....barefoot.
Take Care
Norks are OK but like someone mentioned the barrel fit can be terrible (all the ones I've seen had terrible barrel fits and lousy trigger pulls). It may shoot well and function fine, but over time it will ruin both the barrel and the slide beyond repair. Also the slide stop holes are not always drilled in the proper location. That said, if you know what you're doing, can properly refit it with a new barrel, do a trigger job, and get it for a good price (like Ronjon or in Canada), they can be quite good.
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According to my 26th edition "blue book of gun values" a new in box or 100% goes for $275. I never heard of them, but there is a lot of things I don't know, thats why I read all these questions and answers. According to my book they are manufactured in China. Imported by Interstate Arms corp. exclusively.:banghead:
According to my 26th edition "blue book of gun values" a new in box or 100% goes for $275. I never heard of them, but there is a lot of things I don't know, thats why I read all these questions and answers. According to my book they are manufactured in China. Imported by Interstate Arms corp. exclusively.:banghead:
"The steel in a Nork is of almost legendary quality"
Hahahaha! I love it! Oh, yeah the legend of Chinese gun steel is well known. Most custom gun makers prefer to start with only the best, my gunsmith won't even touch a gun that is not a Norinco. He says that Colts and Kimbers are junk but the legendary Norinco stands above them all!
Get real. It is a decent gun for the money with steel that is not as bad as you would expect. That doesn't make it great. The price for these is up aroun $400-450 for every single one I have ever seen sell. FOr that kind of money, you can get a SS SA 1911a-1. Are you telling me that the Norinco is a flat out better made gun than the SA? I don't think so. It WAS a good gun for the money when they were $299 and less. Now that the price is about $400, what is the point? I will say that they are better than the RIA even though that is not a bad gun. The RIA is a $300 gun and for that price it is okay. Still, you would be better off with a $450 SA.
Hahahaha!
I love it! Oh, yeah the legend of Chinese gun steel is well known. Most custom gun makers prefer to start with only the best, my gunsmith won't even touch a gun that is not a Norinco. He says that Colts and Kimbers are junk but the legendary Norinco stands above them all! Get real. It is a decent gun for the money with steel that is not as bad as you would expect. That doesn't make it great. The price for these is up aroun $400-450 for every single one I have ever seen sell. FOr that kind of money, you can get a SS SA 1911a-1. Are you telling me that the Norinco is a flat out better made gun than the SA? I don't think so. It WAS a good gun for the money when they were $299 and less. Now that the price is about $400, what is the point? I will say that they are better than the RIA even though that is not a bad gun. The RIA is a $300 gun and for that price it is okay. Still, you would be better off with a $450 SA.
joab
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Well it is pretty much universally accepted that the steel used in Norinco 1911s is superior to most if not all on the market
Albanian, don't ever stop being such a wonderful human being, ok?
Just finished reading your (as-edited by moderator) post about $100 Garands at Big 5 Sporting Goods. I bought $99 M1896 Swedish Mausers there, so it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility. But way to berate everybody else on an internet forum, eh? Nice touch!
So just how much metallurgical knowledge do you have? As for Norinco 1911's, I bought 4 of 'em back in the early 1990s when both Colt and Springfield were having bad QC problems, at the urging of a respected 1911smith. Even in my discussions with the late Armand Swenson he thought they were a good idea for a 1911. That's right, the Norinco grade of ordnance steel, while a bit rough on the internal machining, was still better than the Series 80 Colts and the Brazilian frames Springfield Inc. was kicking out the door. As I entered IPSC competition later, I found many customized Norinco guns out there competing, and I distinctly remember custom smiths like Ed Brown preferring to work with the Norks.
I own Caspians, Springfields, Colts, and Norks. The customized IPSC Norks just keep ticking...
Just finished reading your (as-edited by moderator) post about $100 Garands at Big 5 Sporting Goods. I bought $99 M1896 Swedish Mausers there, so it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility. But way to berate everybody else on an internet forum, eh? Nice touch!
So just how much metallurgical knowledge do you have? As for Norinco 1911's, I bought 4 of 'em back in the early 1990s when both Colt and Springfield were having bad QC problems, at the urging of a respected 1911smith. Even in my discussions with the late Armand Swenson he thought they were a good idea for a 1911. That's right, the Norinco grade of ordnance steel, while a bit rough on the internal machining, was still better than the Series 80 Colts and the Brazilian frames Springfield Inc. was kicking out the door. As I entered IPSC competition later, I found many customized Norinco guns out there competing, and I distinctly remember custom smiths like Ed Brown preferring to work with the Norks.
I own Caspians, Springfields, Colts, and Norks. The customized IPSC Norks just keep ticking...
loloy
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where did everybody go? running out of opinions/opposition?
schmeky
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I have 6 1911's, Colt, Kimber, Norinco, and a Rock Island Armory. My Norinco is one of my favorite 1911's. It has run like a clock and is more accurate than I ever thought it would be.
Anyone that be-littles a Norinco has probably never owned one.
Anyone that be-littles a Norinco has probably never owned one.
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schmeky,
Did you clean that little china doll up or did it come that way from someone else's work? That's a fine looking little "Model of 1911A1". Besides the obvious external cosmetics, any internals reworked as well? (and the obligatory) Sure it's pretty, but how well does it shoot?
Is that a recent purchase or a photo of your old (blue) one?
I see on GunBroker that most are still hovering around the $400 mark for opening bids, some w/ add-ons, one stock, w/ one having a Buy Now price of $579 (lots of doo-dads added).
Norks seem to have a cult like following that some seem to love, others love to hate, others just shoot a lot. Got to love (or hate) the Clintonian politics behind the ban keeping the supply here in the US down to a fixed number. Always makes for interesting economic conversation on a gun board.
As photos show, they do clean up nice for the price.
Did you clean that little china doll up or did it come that way from someone else's work? That's a fine looking little "Model of 1911A1". Besides the obvious external cosmetics, any internals reworked as well? (and the obligatory) Sure it's pretty, but how well does it shoot?
Is that a recent purchase or a photo of your old (blue) one?
I see on GunBroker that most are still hovering around the $400 mark for opening bids, some w/ add-ons, one stock, w/ one having a Buy Now price of $579 (lots of doo-dads added).
Norks seem to have a cult like following that some seem to love, others love to hate, others just shoot a lot. Got to love (or hate) the Clintonian politics behind the ban keeping the supply here in the US down to a fixed number. Always makes for interesting economic conversation on a gun board.
As photos show, they do clean up nice for the price.
vanfunk
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Well, this thread is a year and a half old
. Given the attention span of the average internet commando (myself included), we're talking ancient history here.vanfunk
schmeky
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Bab Louie,
I like the "China Doll" analogy. I bought this one for $350.00 about a year and half ago. Shot it a lot to check for function, then bought the straight checkered mainspring housing and Coco-bolo grips off E-bay.
I did a home trigger job on it that turned out really well, then had it blued at Fords in Florida. I have about $600.00 total in it. It shoots so accurately and reliably out of the box, I left it alone, original springs, extractor, etc., it even shoots reliably with cheap mags.
I like the "China Doll" analogy. I bought this one for $350.00 about a year and half ago. Shot it a lot to check for function, then bought the straight checkered mainspring housing and Coco-bolo grips off E-bay.
I did a home trigger job on it that turned out really well, then had it blued at Fords in Florida. I have about $600.00 total in it. It shoots so accurately and reliably out of the box, I left it alone, original springs, extractor, etc., it even shoots reliably with cheap mags.
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