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Price Check on Used 870 Police Magnum

Discussion in 'Shotguns' started by ojibweindian, Mar 7, 2008.

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  1. ojibweindian

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    The local gun shop has used 870 Police Magnums priced between $240 and $280. For what I can tell, there is no difference in the conditions of the shotguns across the price range.

    Externally, they look a bit rough, but each one I looked at cycled well, locked up, safties worked, and no rust.

    So, is this a good deal?

    One more question; each of these shotguns were marked as having 18" barrels. Would one of these guns be legal for me to buy, without having to go get a $200 NFA permit?
     
  2. Darthbauer

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    Im going to have to go with no. I got my 870 new for $280. Just got to look for a good sale.



    No, the limit is 18 so your ok. Anything under that and then it would not be legal.
     
  3. ojibweindian

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    Is yours specifically the 870 Police Magnum, or an 870 Express. There are differences.
     
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    Police Magnum
     
  5. ojibweindian

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    That's an excellent price for a new gun. I know the Wal-Marts here in Huntsville, AL sell them for much more than $280.
     
  6. dasanii19

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    Unless your confused between a 870 police and a 870 express, $240-$280 for a 870 police magnum? wow!! you better jump on that deal!!!

    Does this gun shop ship? Whats the name of the gun shop?
     
  7. ojibweindian

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    The name of the shop is Larry's Pistol and Pawn in Huntsville, AL.

    Bear in mind the prices I listed in the OP are for used shotguns from police trade-ins.
     
  8. Fred Fuller

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    CDNN just sold out a batch of 2 3/4" chamber 1970s era Police gun trade-ins (they were marked Wingmaster in those days) for $190 each, with new blaze orange SpeedFeed furniture. So your dealer is offering a price about $50 higher than that for a 3" chamber. Worth it? Hard to say.

    It's gotten so that even finding a good used Express gun for under $200 is less and less common (inflation is a bear). I'd say this day and age, $240 is an OK price for a Magnum Police gun in decent shape. I'd like it a lot more for less money, but it's a decent deal if the gun is in solid working condition.

    lpl/nc
     
  9. marklbucla

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    To the OP and Darthbauer, are these actually stamped "Police Magnum" on the sides?
     
  10. dasanii19

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    Lee Lapin, Wingmaster and Police magnums are not the same. Wingmaster has a polished blueing when the new police magnums have a parkerized finish. Police magnums are generally worth more then a wingmaster from what ive seen. Also, stamped police magnums are of a better quality control from the factory.
     
  11. Darthbauer

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    Mine is.
     
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    Lee is referring to '70's vintage Wingmasters, which is how the Police versions were marked back then. As the owner of several 1970's 870P's (Marked "Wingmaster") and several 2000-vintage 870P's (marked Police Magnum), I'd choose the Wingmaster 870Ps over the newer ones any day of the week. They were finished better back then. The only thing I could possibly kick on is the lack of the flexi-tab carrier on the stock Wingmaster 870P. Easily retro-fitted though.
     
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    You got one hell of a deal! Where'd you get it?
     
  14. Fred Fuller

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    dasanii19,

    The 870 went into production in 1950. The first Police 870s came out in 1953- the receivers were marked Wingmaster, they were distinguished by having 18" CYL bore bead sighted barrels and plain walnut furniture with a short 'corncob' forearm. They had the typical chrome bolt and lifter and commercial blued finish of that time. There have been LOTS of 870 Police guns produced marked as Wingmasters. And there were Riot guns too- only difference was the Riot guns had a 20" bead sighted CYL bore barrel, and the same plain furniture as the Police gun.

    The first 870 Magnum didn't appear until 1955.

    I don't know right off hand when Remington started using different receiver markings for Police 870s- it's a relatively recent development in 870 history though.

    I have a 1989 vintage (from the serial number) 870 Police Magnum that I bought used a couple of years ago. It's bright blue with a chrome bolt and blued Flexitab lifter, plain walnut furniture, 18" bead sighted barrel choked ImpCyl, with a 2-shot factory magazine extension. Thus I know the changeover was made before 1989, but exactly when I'm not sure. Not all Police Magnum- marked 870s were parkerized, though all current production might be- I haven't seen any offered in blue finish for a while at http://www.remingtonle.com/shotguns/870standard.htm , though the blued finish is still mentioned in the copy on that page.

    FWIW-

    lpl/nc
     
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    Lee, I agree with everything you've stated about the 870's past, but in your first reply your comparing apples and oranges. The original poster is talking about a Police magnum not a chrome bolt polished blued 1970's "police" Wingmaster. I see new 870 police magnums start at no less then $400 for a basic model, so him finding a newer style 870 police magnum for $240-$280 is a great price, even if it is a used trade in.
     
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    The point is that a 1970's "police" Wingmaster is just as good as, if not better than, a current production Police Magnum.
     
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    870 Variations

    There is a lot of confusion about 870's - particularly with the less expensive Express.

    Our friend dfariswheel gave us the definitive breakdown of the basic Remingtons. The best description I have seen!


     
  18. dasanii19

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    So comparring the wingmaster to the Police magnum, you see how the Police has a better quality control as stated in post 10.

    The Wingmaster has:
    An aluminum trigger group.
    The old style magazine retention system.
    A much smoother finish inside and out, no machine marks or burrs.
    The Wingmaster gun receives a higher level of inspection and finishing.
    A fine, commercial polished blue finish.
    A polished bore.
    A chrome plated bolt.
    A one piece barrel.
    Walnut stocks with the famous "Bowling Pin" finish in gloss or satin. and better checkering.
    Wide choices in barrel lengths and choke options.
    No use of MIM parts, the extractor is milled.
    The Wingmaster is the full top-of-the-line commercial Remington pump gun, and is priced accordingly.

    The 870 Police has:
    An aluminum trigger group.
    The old style magazine retention system.
    A much smoother finish inside and out, no machine marks or burrs.
    The Police gun receives a higher level of inspection and finishing and is built in a special area of the plant from 100% inspected parts.
    A military-grade parkerized finish.
    A polished bore.
    A one piece barrel.
    Walnut or synthetic stock, with a short police-length fore end.
    The Remington “R3” super recoil pad that reduces felt recoil by 30%.
    Choices in different stocks, including Speed-feed, and others.
    18" to 20" improved cylinder barrel, with a wide choice in sights, including rifle, ghost ring, and luminous.
    Police options like magazine extenders, forearms with built-in lights, and sling swivels.
    Heavy-duty magazine spring.
    Heavy-duty trigger-sear spring.
    Heavy-duty shell lifter spring.
    Sling swivel mounts.
    No use of MIM parts, the extractor is milled.
     
  19. dwenslen

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    I picked up one of these today at Larry's-$269, but it was the last parkerized one they had. has not been shot much, in great shape. they have 4 or 5 blued ones in very servicable shape.
    thanks for the heads up

    cheers
    Derek
     
  20. [FH]K96

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    The Prices you mentioned aren't too off the wall to me if it is just normal wear. This being relative- I live in California so gun prices are typically higher sadly.

    I bought a 870 Wingmaster a while back that was is great condition, but it was clad with police walnut furniture and an 18" barrel cyl. barrel. I called Remington and gave them the serial- it was made in '81. It could be a police wingmaster? I paid ~$330.

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  21. Black_Talon

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    Call Remington and ask if it was shipped as Police gun, they can tell you.
     
  22. RCR29

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    I gave $200 OTD for my 870P. To the OP, 18" barreled shotguns do not fall within the purview of the NFA.
     
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