Prime time cop show bashes gun owners!

[Hokkmike]

Watched an epsiode of Cold Case last night. (6-10-06) Not the documentary version but the "Law & Order Clone".

"Time to Crime"
A murder weapon is found during the city's gun recovery program, prompting detectives to take another look at the accidental 1987 drive-by shooting of a little girl.

Cast: Kathryn Morris, Danny Pino, John Finn, Thom Barry, Jeremy Ratchford, Nicki Aycox, Nicki Lynn Aycox, Kelli Kirkland, Joyce Guy, Precious Wright, Chris Foreman, Miles Watson, Barry Sigismondi, Patrick Reina, Michael Christian Alexander, Thom Gossom Jr, Jake Longs, Reggie Currelley, Alexander Folk, Valeri Ross, Campbell Scarborough.
Director(s): Tim Hunter.
Producer(s): Jerry Bruckheimer, Jonathan Littman, Meredith Stiehm.
Writer(s): Tyler Bensinger.

Original Airdate: January 30, 2005.

From start to finish it made gun owners, sellers, etc., look like fools. They had a guy dressed up like Uncle Sam at a gun show spinning a revolver cylinder in front of a guy, with his wife and family looking on, of course - like the guy was checking out cotton candy. They showed bikini clad girls toting six shooters as a convincing sales appeal to most shooters. (come on guys - back me up on this one).

The entire episode highlited the sales history, illegal mostly, and otherwise, of a Bren-10 and its horrible use in the hands of so many gun idiots. It culminated in the shooting of a little girl by her twelve year old brother who was doing a drive-by to kill their mom's boyfriend while dad was busy driving cab at his second job. I watch a lot of cop TV (not this anymore) and have never seen anything as sentimentally, syrupy, garbage as this. Believe me, it was NOT subtle.

Can you tell I'm upset?

 

[benEzra]

Would you believe that the gun-ban zealots in Hollywood actually have a script?

http://www.eiconline.org/issues/gv/depiction.php

Entertainment Industries Council, Inc.
ISSUES: GUN VIOLENCE, FIREARM SAFETY & INJURY PREVENTION
Depiction Suggestions

# Attempt to highlight alternative resolutions to conflict rather than relying on gunplay as the only or automatic means of settling confrontations. Clashes can be resolved by other less lethal means, perhaps by characters using their wits and cunning to overcome opponents.

Consider highlighting the emotional consequences for the shooter, such as feelings of guilt, remorse, personal angst, and so on.

Consider incorporating such real-life scenarios as:

* The shooter or possessor of a gun being accidently injured by it.

* A gun accidentally misfiring while being loaded or unloaded by a criminal or other user.

* A gun misfiring and injuring someone after being accidentally dropped.

# Consider the story potential that may exist in a family filing suit against a gun manufacturer for injuries or death sustained by a defective firearm that misfired.

# Try emphasizing the fact that introducing a gun into an argument lethalizes anger: What could have been resolved with just harsh words, or even cuts and bruises, may end up with a death. Guns don't allow for cooling off or reconciling once the momentary or situational anger subsides.

# Consider reflecting the reality that homeowners often freeze up or tremble so badly when trying to use a gun in self-defense that they are unable to deploy it. Or show them as being too frozen in fear to even get the gun.

# Where appropriate to the story, consider portraying a teenage girl threatening to break up with her boyfriend unless he gets rid of his gun -- or a boy doing the same with a gun-owning girlfriend.

# Explore depiction of legal prosecution or civil action taken against parents for negligently leaving a gun available to a child who then uses it to either intentionally or unintentionally harm themselves or others.

# Attempt to provide a positive role model by showing parents making gun safety inquiries of other households where children visit, asking about storage, accessibility, and so on.

# Consider depicting the reality that women are far more likely to be shot by husbands or lovers than by an intruder. Odds are that a gun in her home will be used against her rather than in her defense.

# Consider showing bartenders or bar owners being prosecuted or held civilly liable for gun injuries caused by a drunken patron who is known by them to carry a weapon (akin to the prosecution of bar owners for traffic deaths caused by drunk drivers).

# When appropriate, incorporate parents having heart-to-heart talks with their children, especially teenagers, about guns not being an acceptable resolution to the problems they face with schoolyard bullies or anything else.

# Emphasize, where possible, the legal penalties invoked against "straw purchasers" who act as intermediaries between gun dealers and persons who are legally restricted from buying guns themselves.

# Consider showing someone who is attempting to use a gun in self-defense being overpowered by the attacker who then uses the gun against him or her.

# Attempt to show safe ways school kids can tip off the police or school authorities that a fellow student has a gun, and show that this action can bring about a positive outcome.

# Consider showing that even so-called "toy" guns, like pellet or BB guns or prop guns, can cause real injuries and even death.

# Give thought to starting the story after any gun violence has already occurred, and confine the plot line to the aftermath — detection, prosecution, coping of survivors, and so on.

# Consider occasionally having "junk" guns misfiring or jamming at critical times, as these guns are prone to do so after a period of use.

# Consider depicting people as feeling less safe, rather than more safe, when they find their neighbors becoming increasingly armed.

# Try incorporating statistics on gun usage into scripts by having appropriate characters, like law enforcement personnel, DA's and teachers cite them. For instance most people don't know that guns are more often used for suicide than homicide. (54% of gun deaths were suicides, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 1999)

# Consider highlighting the fact that teenagers often act impulsively and the presense of guns may increase the likelihood that a transient emotion may turn into a fatal event.

# Consider having characters criminally charged for simply brandishing a firearm.

# Try to emphasize that offenders get stiffer sentences if they use a gun in the commission of their crimes.

# Consider pointing out the inadvertant injuries caused by bullets shot into the air by holiday celebrants. What goes up must come down, sometimes with lethal force.

# If appropriate to the story, consider exploring a gun dealer's or a gun supplier's remorse about the harm done by someone to whom he or she furnished a firearm.

# Consider having a character use a gun in what he/she believes is self-defense only to be charged with murder or manslaughter because it's determined that excessive or unjustified lethal force was deployed.

# Consider having characters successfully use alternatives to guns for self-defense, such as pepper spray or mace.

# When appropriate, try to depict parents, teachers, counselors, and even peers giving advice to young people about alternate forms of conflict resolution.

# Try to provide role modeling behavior by showing friends trying to dissuade a character from arming him/herself after the gun death of a friend or family member.

# Consider portraying a gun manufacturer making the right decisions in choosing to design a safer firearm.

# Try making the point that having guns in the house may actually increase the possibility of home invasion robbery since firearms are an attractive target for theft.

# Consider having characters successfully use alternatives to guns for self-defense, such as pepper spray or mace.

# Consider showing a parent chastising his or her spouse for leaving a gun where their children can find it.

If that doesn't define the word "propaganda," I don't know what does.

 

[MarkDido]

# Consider that me and people like me in the Entertainment Industry live in gated, patrolled communities with hi-tech alarm system, while the only thing between you "proles" and some crackhead is a cheap deadbolt. Sucks to be you!

 

[IronLance]

Hollywierd Bashing Gun Owners!?!? Say it isn't so!! I mean, they've always been defenders of guns and gunowners since they began making movies, and later TV shows. Haven't they?

 

[Matthew748]

To paraphrase the founder of the company I work for, "I wish California would just fall off the map."

 

[Tory]

Yes and no

The entire episode highlited [sic] the sales history, illegal mostly, and otherwise, of a Bren-10 and its horrible use in the hands of so many gun idiots.

Actually, it was a MAC-10, which is nothing like a Bren-10.

However, I had the same reaction to the patent mendacity of the script, especially where it has the dealer, "Uncle Sam," declaring; "....I'm a dealer; I don't have to do background checks!"

Typical Hollywood leftist lies.

 

[Aguila Blanca]

BenEzra -- thanks for posting that. It IS instructive.

Interesting how the brain-washing extends even into their own, insider literature. Notice that most of the "real life" scenarios they suggest incoporating are not, in fact, very common "real life" scenarios at all. They are, in fact, figments of the anti-gun propagandists' fertile imaginations.

 

[LoadedDrum]

I saw that episode a few months ago. That is one of the many reasons the only thing I watch on NBC is NASCAR.

 

[Zen21Tao]

Consider incorporating such real-life scenarios as:

* The shooter or possessor of a gun being accidently injured by it.

* A gun accidentally misfiring while being loaded or unloaded by a criminal or other user.

* A gun misfiring and injuring someone after being accidentally dropped.

Ok. Perhaps those anti-gun ***** should check the statistics of actual cases where a gun has accidentally discharged without the trigger being pulled (e.g. dropped gun). These cases do happen from time to time but are no where near as prevalent as the left would have it’s audience believe.

A “real-life” scenario would be a homeowner using a gun legally and successfully to stop and intruder. Another “real-life” scenario would be a child or teen enjoying time spend hunting, target shooting, or skeet shooting with his father or an uncle.

# Consider the story potential that may exist in a family filing suit against a gun manufacturer for injuries or death sustained by a defective firearm that misfired.

Wow, exploit a tragedy! Funny, celebs are famous for their belief that their privacy is important and shouldn’t be exploited by the paparazzi. But, when it comes to their agenda it is more than ok, it is encouraged, that the lives others be exploited.

# Attempt to provide a positive role model by showing parents making gun safety inquiries of other households where children visit, asking about storage, accessibility, and so on.

How about the dad or the uncle who takes the child hunting or target shooting be shown as the “positive male role model”? This is the person far more likely to teach gun safety. In fact the left opposes gun safety being taught in school.

# Consider depicting the reality that women are far more likely to be shot by husbands or lovers than by an intruder. Odds are that a gun in her home will be used against her rather than in her defense.

Reality, as any collection of statistics will show, is that there are far more successful uses of a gun for self-defense and/or defense of another by law abiding citizens than there are accidental and intentional shootings by a spouse or lover.

# Consider showing someone who is attempting to use a gun in self-defense being overpowered by the attacker who then uses the gun against him or her.

I thought they wanted to show reality. Why not make the attacker a martial artist that spin kicks the gun out of the gun owner’s hands then jumps up into the air catching the gun while doing a back flip and fire the gun before landing. That’s just as “real” as their steroid buffed attacker overpowering the gun owner. They seem to forget that most gun owners who opt for concealed carry train a lot more regularly than the run of the mill street “g” wit’ hiz gat (criminal with his gun).


Note: This as far down the list as I could get without .

 

[the pistolero]

When appropriate, try to depict parents, teachers, counselors, and even peers giving advice to young people about alternate forms of conflict resolution.

Uh...noob comin' out again, but don't they talk about nonviolent conflict resolution when you take the class for the CCW permit? I am not saying this justifies mandating a state-issued permit for carry, but good grief, the way these cretins gloss over the way things really work is profoundly disgusting.

Consider portraying a gun manufacturer making the right decisions in choosing to design a safer firearm.

read: "smart" gun...

Try emphasizing the fact that introducing a gun into an argument lethalizes anger

More "Wild west shootouts, blood-running-in-the-streets" rhetoric. Good grief, they really know how to take something and run with it...

Where appropriate to the story, consider portraying a teenage girl threatening to break up with her boyfriend unless he gets rid of his gun -- or a boy doing the same with a gun-owning girlfriend.

"...but don't show the gun owner in the situation telling the potential squeeze to go pound sand for trying to coerce the gun owner into changing who he/she is just to appease the other's irrational fear of inanimate objects..."

 

[akodo]

# Consider depicting the reality that women are far more likely to be shot by husbands or lovers than by an intruder. Odds are that a gun in her home will be used against her rather than in her defense.

-I always thought the issue here was to get rid of these bozos, not the guns.


Now, suprisingly, this list has some good ideas

# Consider the story potential that may exist in a family filing suit against a gun manufacturer for injuries or death sustained by a defective firearm that misfired.

You know, I am totally fine with this. If any manufacturer makes a truely defective product, they should be sued. Of course, if the 'accident' in a firearm involves pulling the trigger, and a high speed lead projectile, that is 'working as intended'. I have yet to hear of one gun lawsuit that was really about a defective firearm.

# When appropriate, incorporate parents having heart-to-heart talks with their children, especially teenagers, about guns not being an acceptable resolution to the problems they face with schoolyard bullies or anything else.

-very true. Guns are for self defence and entertainment, not for vendettas against other schoolchildren.

# Emphasize, where possible, the legal penalties invoked against "straw purchasers" who act as intermediaries between gun dealers and persons who are legally restricted from buying guns themselves.

-Yup I am TOTALLY in support of this. I'd like to see more shows like this. I'd also like to see shows note that if a primary purchaser is stopped by the 'brady check' because he is, say, a convicted felon currently on parol, no charges are brought for just attempting to get a gun, which is illegal.

# Consider showing that even so-called "toy" guns, like pellet or BB guns or prop guns, can cause real injuries and even death.

- yup, toy guns can get you shot by a cop, and bb guns can take out an eye.

# Try to emphasize that offenders get stiffer sentences if they use a gun in the commission of their crimes.

-damned straight. lets see more of this type of stuff going on.

# Consider pointing out the inadvertant injuries caused by bullets shot into the air by holiday celebrants. What goes up must come down, sometimes with lethal force.

-Amen!

# When appropriate, try to depict parents, teachers, counselors, and even peers giving advice to young people about alternate forms of conflict resolution.

-again, guns are for self protection or entertainment, not vendettas

# Try to provide role modeling behavior by showing friends trying to dissuade a character from arming him/herself after the gun death of a friend or family member.

-at an emotional time, it isn't always best to go out and buy your first gun. Plus, this again is implying getting the gun to go and pull off a vendetta crime.

# Consider portraying a gun manufacturer making the right decisions in choosing to design a safer firearm.

-Again, this is a good one. However, hollywood fails to realize that the gun manufacturers ARE constantly coming out with newer and safter designs. I'd love to see a show where they talk about not having any external safty on a gun, and then reveal it is because of pressure from police brass, who believe their cops are too dumb to remember to use a safty properly

# Consider having characters successfully use alternatives to guns for self-defense, such as pepper spray or mace.

-If a lesser tool can get the job done, then go for it. I am fond of having more than one tool in my toolbox. Doesn't mean I will leave 'old reliable' behind though.

# Consider showing a parent chastising his or her spouse for leaving a gun where their children can find it.

-Yup all for this. As a gun owner, you must be careful and responsible with your firearms. Doesn't mean guns and kids cannot exist, just you got to be dilligent on a lot of things, gun storage, teaching your kid gun safty (DO NOT TOUCH A GUN GO TELL A GROWNUP!), range time when they are older, etc etc.

Now I a few I support 'tongue in cheek'

# Try making the point that having guns in the house may actually increase the possibility of home invasion robbery since firearms are an attractive target for theft.

-Yes, this is a good one. And how do the criminals know who has guns? Simple, place stickers on your windows, noting the homeowner is armed or unarmed. Show gun homes being invaded when gunowners are at work, and nongunhomes being invaded when the sheeple are there, but toothless.

# Attempt to provide a positive role model by showing parents making gun safety inquiries of other households where children visit, asking about storage, accessibility, and so on.

-I think it is a good idea that whoever care for your child be able to handle themselves in whatever comes. Fire extinguisher, smoke detector, poison control number, child CPR, firearm. All good.

 

[Len]

Don't usually comment on these types of threads...but:

If this "script" really exists...wouldn't this be from the same Hollywood writers, actors, producers, directors who say that gun usage on TV and the movies has no bearing on people's behavior in "real life?" If it's true that what appears on the screen does not have a negative effect on the viewer, shouldn't it also follow that they would also be unable to have a "positive" effect? [Their idea of positive, not mine.]

That's what I object to. The idea that because you are able to inject your opinions into pervasive on-screen entertainment, and you possess an arrogant, privileged attitude, you can illogically and unfairly play both sides of the issue.

 

[svtruth]

Not all bad

I watched Hidalgo last night. It is about a 3000 mile horse race in North Africa. A cowboy entrant is offered $10,000 for his "magnificent weapon" a Colt .45 revolver.

 

[Otherguy Overby]

LoadedDrum:

I saw that episode a few months ago. That is one of the many reasons the only thing I watch on NBC is NASCAR.

Nascar is now on Fox...

 

[Hokkmike]

Tory - you are right. My mix up. Sorry.

 

[Diomed]

Was it ever stated when the Mac-10 was manufactured? The impression I got was that it was post-86, which made no sense. Buying dealer samples by the case? Huh? Maybe someone who knows Class III practices can tell me if that makes sense.

I liked how the cops were asking about owning an illegal machine gun, and everyone owned up to it right away. In real life that's half a dozen people going to Club Fed for a while.

The utter absurdity of the show turned me off. I didn't bother watching through to the end.