primer hardness

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i have read here that federal primers are the softest. i typicaly use cci's, which are to hard for one of my guns since i had a trigger job done. is there a list on the toughness / hardness of primers? since primers are so hard to find right now, and since i now have to re-do a few hundred shells. any help would be appreciated. thanx.
 
Went through the same thing a week ago,I opted to bring it back to my smith.
I had him give me back a couple of pounds,Loved it the way it was but with primmers hard to get I need to be able to shoot what I can find.
Bob.
 
All the manufacturers use the same sheet of material to make the cups (you will get a lot of nay sayers about that, but we verified that with the manufacturers at the Shot Show). One manufacturer does not use harder metal than another, in spite of what you're read. In the primer industry, the word 'harder' refers to the priming compound.

Federal makes more sensitive priming compound. That's why it ignites easier with soft hammer springs. So the word 'harder' means the sensitivity of the chemical compound, not the toughness of the copper cup.

I would love to see a chart or table comparing sensitivity. I don't know of any. Most reloaders just use their own experience. And since modifications vary from pistol to pistol, sometimes you need to experiment yourself. If a particular brand of primer doesn't work for your pistol, don't use it any more.
 
primers designed for military semi and full-autos are harder metal to prevent 'slam fire'. I've read handloaders more experienced than me say that Federal should not be used to load cartridges meant to be used in semi-autos with the floating firing pin. I heed their advice and use CCI which has a reputation for being the least 'sensitive' primer.
 
Small Pistol Primers in order of sensitivity, from easiest to ignite to hardest:

Federal
MagTech
Winchester
Remington
CCI

I haven't tested Wolf, since I have an old bias against people who threatened to exterminate my country while I was growing up.

If you want to do a test for yourself, take a good Smith & Wesson revolver and loosen the strain screw until it won't set off a primed case. (use empty, primed cases for this test) Gradually tighten the strain screw until it will reliably set off Federal primers. Then start trying to ignite the others, starting with MagTech, and then down the list. Tighten the screw for each one until it will reliably set off that brand.

My guess is your test will have the same results as mine did and your list will the same.

Hope this helps.

Fred
 
All the manufacturers use the same sheet of material to make the cups (you will get a lot of nay sayers about that, but we verified that with the manufacturers at the Shot Show).

Verified at Shot Show? How verified? By who? With data provided...?

There's just too much real world experience to take that assertion as gospel.
Maybe not harder .... how about thicker?

http://www.jamescalhoon.com/primers_and_pressure.php

/Bryan
 
moooose102,

I haven't done the same test on Large Pistol Primers, since all my guns that use them have strong hammer springs. I've got several handguns that have had action jobs that require Small Pistol primers and won't reliably ignite anything except Federal and MagTech primers. They will set those two brands off each and every time, but put CCI primers in those same guns and I'm lucky to get about 90% ignition. That won't do for matches at all, since there are no ammunition alibis.

I would suspect that the results would be similar, though, if a test were conducted. The main thing is to make sure your primers are seated correctly. I try for about .004" below flush, but some primer pockets and primers won't allow for that depth without crushing the primer somewhat. At the very least, that must be flush or preferably below flush when seated. You have to seat the anvil properly when priming, or no primer will go off, no matter what the brand. For that reason, I don't prime on my progressive presses. I prep and prime in separate steps, and then when I run the brass through the progressive, I'm dealing with sized and primed brass that I KNOW will go off when hit by the firing pin.

I just had this discussion with some fellow shooters and they commented that I was going to a lot more trouble than they were in loading my match ammunition, but they just had misfires during a match. I asked my shooting partner, who happens to be my wife, when the last time was that she had a misfire. She told them she had never had a misfire in all the thousands of rounds she's fired, and they commented that maybe it was worth it after all. They had both been having problems with misfires, and they load everything on their progressive presses and never clean primer pockets. I clean them all, period.

If you have a S&W revolver that uses large pistol primers, you can back off the strain screw and test them for yourself. It doesn't take long to do, and you can do it in your garage.

Hope this helps.

Fred
 
i typicaly use cci's, which are to hard for one of my guns since i had a trigger job done.

Sounds like the mainspring was lightened. Too many people confuse light with smooth which is more important. I'd put in stock springs. You never know what ammo you might have to use.
 
Plus 1!

Unless this is strictly a gun for fun & games playtime, it needs to be 100% reliable with anything you put in it.

A gun with so light a firing pin fall as to be dependent on only one brand of primers?

If they are hardly going off at best, your loads standard deviation and accuracy will suffer.

rc
 
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