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SuperiorMarksman_18 said:
That sums it up the best I've ever heard.
Principal Does Not Like My Desktop Wallpaper
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That sums it up the best I've ever heard.
Baloney. This isn't a gun issue, nor is it an issue for the NEA. This is a local association issue. I've been a member of two local education associations. I don't know where any of the reps stand on the issue of guns. I know EXACTLY where they stand on administrative foolishness. The type of notation RioShooter mentions, on a written evaluation, would certainly have gotten their attention. geekWithA.45 has the right idea.
1911Tuner
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Teapot...I know there was somethin' about you that I liked.
Teapot...I know there was somethin' about you that I liked.
Now. as far as weapon related wallpaper on your government paid for computer that you are using in a school:
this sort of thing comes from the home. So you have to realize that anything you say and do at a government school comes under scrutiny as no other.
No matter what you say and do, the children go home, and they deal with their parents.
That is why the Church and the NRA are important to daily life in America.
this sort of thing comes from the home. So you have to realize that anything you say and do at a government school comes under scrutiny as no other.
No matter what you say and do, the children go home, and they deal with their parents.
That is why the Church and the NRA are important to daily life in America.
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statelineblues
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Maybe he'd go for something more soft and fuzzy - like "kalishnakitty"....
Helstrm
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I got some nice looks at a PTA meeting wearing a jacket with an IDPA patch on it.
wolfman01
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carterbeauford , I had to snag that one, and put it on MY background at work. Since I'm not in a screwel, about the best the "boss" can do, is whine, as it isn't a "lewd" background.
For a pic?
What a dumb @$$! When I was a principal, I NEVER would have done that, but then, I did teach Hunter Safety at school.
Technically, what others have discussed of the employer rights have gone to the S.Ct. It's called a "paid forum". It was actually a Michigan case that clarified it. The Atty. was Jay Heubert formerly of Harvard. I took a post-doctoral law course from him at Harvard.
The school does have that control, but, come on. No students care, no families care. Even if they do, teachers do still have some degree of free expression even in their classroom paid forum! I agree, the problem is the left and even the right is trying to kill the American gun culture.
Ask your principal if you can show the movie, "Patton". Let's see what he's made of. One of the middle school teachers wanted to show it when I was a MS/HS principal. I said of course, and when people get mad, I will say tell them that the teacher has "freedom of instruction" and that they have to talk to you (him). Of course the most religious board member had kittens.
I can send you a pic of my Bushmaster Carbon 15 if he would prefer that??? I mean, it's American-made.
Doc2005
What a dumb @$$! When I was a principal, I NEVER would have done that, but then, I did teach Hunter Safety at school.
Technically, what others have discussed of the employer rights have gone to the S.Ct. It's called a "paid forum". It was actually a Michigan case that clarified it. The Atty. was Jay Heubert formerly of Harvard. I took a post-doctoral law course from him at Harvard.
The school does have that control, but, come on. No students care, no families care. Even if they do, teachers do still have some degree of free expression even in their classroom paid forum! I agree, the problem is the left and even the right is trying to kill the American gun culture.
Ask your principal if you can show the movie, "Patton". Let's see what he's made of.
One of the middle school teachers wanted to show it when I was a MS/HS principal. I said of course, and when people get mad, I will say tell them that the teacher has "freedom of instruction" and that they have to talk to you (him). Of course the most religious board member had kittens. I can send you a pic of my Bushmaster Carbon 15 if he would prefer that??? I mean, it's American-made.Doc2005
XLMiguel
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+1 on getting sometnig from Oleg's site, particularly with a pro-freedom caption. Might as well muddy the waters with a mix of 1st & 2nd Amendment issues. Hang 'em on their own petard. Good luck!!
RioShooter
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Here's the pic
ive got a picture of a soldier shooting an M4 on my desktop at work, not a school mind you, but i was a little worried at first but nothing has been said yet, also the entire school shooting thing... i graduated highschool in 2003, i grew up in a small town in northern Nevada, part of our Physical Education class was shooting, we spent about 3 weeks on it, if you didnt want to you didnt have to, but you and your parents signed a waiver, and everyone was bussed out to the range. we spent a day on safety and an "introduction" to guns and what we would be shooting and why they are important and what not. We shot .22 pistols, and .22 rifles for a week, then off to the trap range where the girls shot 20 ga. and the guys shot 12 ga. Everyone shot 5 rounds a day, for 5 days. This is a great thing, and as far as i know it still planned for this and many years to come. many people i talk to have never heard of such a thing, but i guess with a P.E. teacher who is a gun nut and avid hunter, also a town of about 2500 people and a graduating class of 86ppl its ok. also not to toot my own horn but my junior year i hit 24/25,and senior year i hit 25/25, and beat the teacher in a shoot-off, where i went 25/25 again, he dropped 2 birds. ha ha
Mark Whiteman
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That sounds great. I graduated in 1973, just before Oregon shut down the Athletic Association's intramural shooting program. They had a 50 foot range under the stage. I don't know if they ever did the hazmat thing for lead, but its just a storeroom now. I took my rifle to school on the bus, wrapped in butcher paper(the principal said other parents wouldn't holler so much if it wasn't actually visible). The main idea was it was allowed, but the handwriting was on the wall. Maybe VietNam had something to do with it. Our Principal was a General in the National Guard, which may also explain why we lasted so long.
Cacique500
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Nice SKS. I guess you could always put up a picture of your ammo dump and see if he likes that any better
Might also be appropriate to get one of those "9 of the 10 voices in my head keep telling me to clean my guns" t-shirts
Might also be appropriate to get one of those "9 of the 10 voices in my head keep telling me to clean my guns" t-shirts
cloudedice
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Reminds me of an incident my friend had in high school.
He was wearing a black t-shirt with this on the front:
(Sorry about the size)
School security told him to turn it inside out. He refused as he didn't see how it could offend anyone. Security escorted him to their office. Head of security proceded to demand he turn it inside out or change it. Meanwhile up on the wall behind the head of security's head was a poster much like this one:
My friend continued to refused an asked what the difference between the post on the wall and his shirt. Explained that the shirt didn't show any violence, just soldiers fighting for freedom. Security had no answer and my friend had to spend the rest of the day in "In School Suspension." :banghead:
Afterwards, he went and talked with his Vice Principle, who was very apologetic, and even wrote him an apology letter which he received a few days later.
School administrators can be dumb when it comes to freedom of expression.
He was wearing a black t-shirt with this on the front:
(Sorry about the size)
School security told him to turn it inside out. He refused as he didn't see how it could offend anyone. Security escorted him to their office. Head of security proceded to demand he turn it inside out or change it. Meanwhile up on the wall behind the head of security's head was a poster much like this one:
My friend continued to refused an asked what the difference between the post on the wall and his shirt. Explained that the shirt didn't show any violence, just soldiers fighting for freedom. Security had no answer and my friend had to spend the rest of the day in "In School Suspension." :banghead:
Afterwards, he went and talked with his Vice Principle, who was very apologetic, and even wrote him an apology letter which he received a few days later.
School administrators can be dumb when it comes to freedom of expression.
No_Brakes23
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I'd definitely complain in some official capacity, but don't stake your job on it, (But you obviously don't need someone from an internet forum to tell you that.)
I would absolutely switch to something 1a/2a related, and or perhaps something with an Orwell quote. I would also take every opportunity to make a comment of jab about it, (Carefully staying within the bounds of what is acceptable.)
I think you definitely want to stay official with this.
By the way, don't they teach literature or history or civics or American government at this school?
I would absolutely switch to something 1a/2a related, and or perhaps something with an Orwell quote. I would also take every opportunity to make a comment of jab about it, (Carefully staying within the bounds of what is acceptable.)
I think you definitely want to stay official with this.
By the way, don't they teach literature or history or civics or American government at this school?
progunner1957
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Zero tolerance = zero intelligence
And exactly how many people have been wounded and killed by a picture of an SKS??
And exactly how many people have been wounded and killed by a picture of an SKS??
Yup sounds like a hate crime against firearms to me When and if the number of Communists out number guns, the guns should have minority status and be eligble for special rights.
This may sound rediculous, but no more moronic than the anti-gun crowd argument
When and if the number of Communists out number guns, the guns should have minority status and be eligble for special rights. This may sound rediculous, but no more moronic than the anti-gun crowd argument
Chances are your school has a policy about depiction of weapons. I suspect a student would not be allowed to wear a t-shirt with the same pic on it. Such dress codes have been upheld.
You know, it's the school's computer, you're a school employee, you were given written notice, don't be an asshat. Or, be an asshat and a martyr.
Why don't you replace the picture with the text of the second amendment, all done up in a fancy period-looking font. It would be interesting to see if they can object to that.
Good luck (but don't be an asshat)
K
You know, it's the school's computer, you're a school employee, you were given written notice, don't be an asshat. Or, be an asshat and a martyr.
Why don't you replace the picture with the text of the second amendment, all done up in a fancy period-looking font. It would be interesting to see if they can object to that.
Good luck (but don't be an asshat)
K
Sindawe
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Problem is, this is legislative foolishness, whether it is the state legislature or the school board. Further, if his local association is weak, tough noogies. I know a teacher here who had "I will be a team player from now on" put on her EMPLOYMENT CONTRACT. But I live in a "right to work" state, where unions are incredibly weak. Even at my college, we have 30 day at-will contracts, meaning no tenure, and we can be terminated with 30 days notice for absolutely no reason at all. In my state, I can guarantee you, they would side with the principal. But, at the same time, this is a very pro-gun state. The original problem probably would not have popped up here (or most parts of Texas, for that matter - he just happens to be in SOUTH Texas, where the loonie left dominates). I hope Texas is better on the teachers' union issue, and I assume Wisconsin is....:shrug:
Again, my original post was not a flame at you. You seem to have taken it as such. My apologies if you did.....
Mark Whiteman
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This is exactly the same mindless foolishness that manifests itself at airports by big burly guards taking little plastic guns from little kids. That security chumpo was more interested in the application of control than what hazard a t-shirt graphic presented.
Here is a link to a story I read about a couple of years ago. It might be applicable to your situation.
http://www.asbj.com/2004/03/0304schoollaw.html
Basically, an 8th grader in Virginia wore an NRA t-shirt to school and was told to remove it. He contacted the NRA and they went to court. The court ruled that his first amendment rights didn't end once he entered the school and that the school policy was too broad. The policy would of even made the state seal illegal in the school. Just a brief synopsis. The link has all the information.
http://www.asbj.com/2004/03/0304schoollaw.html
Basically, an 8th grader in Virginia wore an NRA t-shirt to school and was told to remove it. He contacted the NRA and they went to court. The court ruled that his first amendment rights didn't end once he entered the school and that the school policy was too broad. The policy would of even made the state seal illegal in the school. Just a brief synopsis. The link has all the information.
ArfinGreebly
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You may have a decision to make . . .
I live in Nevada, which is reasonably gun-friendly. We're also considered a relatively conservative state. Outside of the educational establishment, that is.
This past year we had a teacher in our town who went through a series of escalating disagreements with his administration (lovingly dubbed "The Putz Patrol" among us parents).
In the end, he resigned. Google for "Joe Enge" and check out http://www.theengefiles.com/ for the chronicles, and then www.edwatchnevada.com to see what Joe is doing now. He's also running for the school board against one of the Putz Patrol.
Joe is a real fighter. He went down swinging. And all HE was doing was teaching too much history. Not long after he resigned (terms of severance not disclosed, but seems they bought the remainder of his contract) he was assaulted, in public, while leaving a ballroom after an evening out with his wife. They were "unable to identify" the perp.
One of the clauses in his contract was that any arbitration had to be approved by . . . the local union. He wasn't a member of the local, but their bargaining had left the school district with a "standard" contract giving them control over arbitration -- even when the teacher wasn't "one of theirs" -- and the union sided with the school administration.
The mechanics are pretty simple. The administrators, in order to accrue more power and authority, need to have a bigger budget and more hires. The union, in order to accrue more power and influence, need to have a bigger budget and more members. Solving the problem is not part of the plan. What at first seems to be an "adversarial" relationship is, in fact, a massive case of collusion.
You are now "on their list" as a possible "troublemaker" and "not-team-player" so you will want to watch your six.
Be alert for seemingly petty "oversights" where bulletins get distributed to everyone -- except you. Where anonymous notes with slurs and veiled threats find their way into your staff mail. Where notes are left on your windshield. If this begins to happen, you can thank your local union -- oh, sorry -- association. This kind of thuggery is their signature.
I worked as a contractor for the NEA and their local chapter in Vegas for about 4 years. Once they're used to you, they treat you like furniture, and will carry on as though there's no one besides themselves in the room.
I got to hear any number of "collaborations" involving covering up for various teachers' misdeeds, strong-arming administrators, and keeping mavericks "in line" with the needs of the many. These guys ARE the conspiracy.
You suffer from "Excessive Conservatism Syndrome" and may find it difficult to get help from the local union.
How you proceed will be up to you, but you can never have too much firepower.
If you can locate a sympathetic attorney who's willing to stand by your elbow and look mean while you soothe the admin personnel . . . "hey, guys, I don't think this needs to be a problem; I mean, we really don't want trouble, right?" then you may simply be able to establish a don't-mess-with-him zone.
Perhaps the admin creeps would like to suggest some other graphic that adequately depicts our freedoms, the sacrifices that have secured them, and the means by which that security is maintained. Only kidding.
I will be very interested in how this proceeds.
I live in Nevada, which is reasonably gun-friendly. We're also considered a relatively conservative state. Outside of the educational establishment, that is.
This past year we had a teacher in our town who went through a series of escalating disagreements with his administration (lovingly dubbed "The Putz Patrol" among us parents).
In the end, he resigned. Google for "Joe Enge" and check out http://www.theengefiles.com/ for the chronicles, and then www.edwatchnevada.com to see what Joe is doing now. He's also running for the school board against one of the Putz Patrol.
Joe is a real fighter. He went down swinging. And all HE was doing was teaching too much history. Not long after he resigned (terms of severance not disclosed, but seems they bought the remainder of his contract) he was assaulted, in public, while leaving a ballroom after an evening out with his wife. They were "unable to identify" the perp.
One of the clauses in his contract was that any arbitration had to be approved by . . . the local union. He wasn't a member of the local, but their bargaining had left the school district with a "standard" contract giving them control over arbitration -- even when the teacher wasn't "one of theirs" -- and the union sided with the school administration.
The mechanics are pretty simple. The administrators, in order to accrue more power and authority, need to have a bigger budget and more hires. The union, in order to accrue more power and influence, need to have a bigger budget and more members. Solving the problem is not part of the plan. What at first seems to be an "adversarial" relationship is, in fact, a massive case of collusion.
You are now "on their list" as a possible "troublemaker" and "not-team-player" so you will want to watch your six.
Be alert for seemingly petty "oversights" where bulletins get distributed to everyone -- except you. Where anonymous notes with slurs and veiled threats find their way into your staff mail. Where notes are left on your windshield. If this begins to happen, you can thank your local union -- oh, sorry -- association. This kind of thuggery is their signature.
I worked as a contractor for the NEA and their local chapter in Vegas for about 4 years. Once they're used to you, they treat you like furniture, and will carry on as though there's no one besides themselves in the room.
I got to hear any number of "collaborations" involving covering up for various teachers' misdeeds, strong-arming administrators, and keeping mavericks "in line" with the needs of the many. These guys ARE the conspiracy.
You suffer from "Excessive Conservatism Syndrome" and may find it difficult to get help from the local union.
How you proceed will be up to you, but you can never have too much firepower.
If you can locate a sympathetic attorney who's willing to stand by your elbow and look mean while you soothe the admin personnel . . . "hey, guys, I don't think this needs to be a problem; I mean, we really don't want trouble, right?" then you may simply be able to establish a don't-mess-with-him zone.
Perhaps the admin creeps would like to suggest some other graphic that adequately depicts our freedoms, the sacrifices that have secured them, and the means by which that security is maintained. Only kidding.
I will be very interested in how this proceeds.
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