brerrabbit
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Are we gonna start a "What gun for kittens?" thread?
Sorry, couldnt resist.
And no one else posted it either.
Sorry, couldnt resist.
And no one else posted it either.
Principal May Be Charged in Cat Killings (shooting)
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Yes, he made a bad choice but do you guys think he should be charged with a federal felony and lose his rtba forever?
It seems to me this is the governments mo since the lautenburg act, disarm as many citizens as possible using obscure (no intent) and ex post facto law.
Do you agree that the 'gunfree school zones act' is good law and in the interests of the BoR's and the people?
Go ahead charge him with cruelty but there was no intent. Charge him with improper discharge but there was no property damage or injuries to anyone. These are both misdemeanors and he wouldn't risk his rtba's though. When did america lose it's collective common sense?
It seems to me this is the governments mo since the lautenburg act, disarm as many citizens as possible using obscure (no intent) and ex post facto law.
Do you agree that the 'gunfree school zones act' is good law and in the interests of the BoR's and the people?
Go ahead charge him with cruelty but there was no intent. Charge him with improper discharge but there was no property damage or injuries to anyone. These are both misdemeanors and he wouldn't risk his rtba's though. When did america lose it's collective common sense?
White Horseradish
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What, there is a sudden shortage of woods in Wisconsin I didn't know about?
Shooting is as good a way to kill unwanted animals as any other, but to do it on school property, given the laws, is just moronic. I am not gong to be all broken up about this guy losing his RKBA. He's just too stupid.
Shooting is as good a way to kill unwanted animals as any other, but to do it on school property, given the laws, is just moronic. I am not gong to be all broken up about this guy losing his RKBA. He's just too stupid.
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Some people shouldn't own guns. This guy is one of them.
Option 1: he wanted to do the right thing (euthanize kittens) but had collasally bad judgement to not respect laws and powerful cultural mores. In that case, if his shoot / no-shoot judgement is so flawed, he shouldn't own guns.
Option 2: He was having a bad day and really wanted to shoot something and guess what he found some kittens that he thought needed shootin' so he shot them. That shows emotional problems and I think he shouldn't own guns.
Option 3: He's a really good guy trying to do all the right things and society and our laws are all wrong wrong wrong!
I don't believe in Option 3.
Option 1: he wanted to do the right thing (euthanize kittens) but had collasally bad judgement to not respect laws and powerful cultural mores. In that case, if his shoot / no-shoot judgement is so flawed, he shouldn't own guns.
Option 2: He was having a bad day and really wanted to shoot something and guess what he found some kittens that he thought needed shootin' so he shot them. That shows emotional problems and I think he shouldn't own guns.
Option 3: He's a really good guy trying to do all the right things and society and our laws are all wrong wrong wrong!
I don't believe in Option 3.
To attain his position he is not stupid. He made a bad choice, that at the time, he thought he was doing a good thing. Who here has never made a bad choice at one time in your life? Should you be condemned forever?
Don't you think losing his career is punishment enough? I think it's also too much for this mistake.
Don't you think losing his career is punishment enough? I think it's also too much for this mistake.
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Yeah, losing his career is more than enough punishment. What's he gonna do after this? I'm sure it will make him think very seriously about how he handles firearms in the future. I don't think he should be charged. I'm just saying, this guy showed such bad judgement and (I believe) emotional immaturity, that is a big goof-up.
vmfrantz
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Cat killing is illega?
If we were tight and right with the Constitution and no one got their panties in a wad over the rtba this could have gone down in school lore as "Old man Pilloud killed them cats back in O 6, we better watch what we do", and no one would even consider a columbine.
joab
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That's what he's being prosecuted for.
I have to see his record on Zero Tolerance issues before I feel sorry for him
He is the principal of a school, one could reasonably assume that he is aware of the laws prohibiting guns on campus.
Stupidity is usually painful in one way or another, it's Gods way if calling you a dumb ass
And by the way drowning is how the SPCA tells us to dispose of live captured rats.
SoCalShooter
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This man is not god and he should not be killing kittens unless he is doing the work of god.
vmfrantz
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If you look at it from a librals eyes he didnt kill the cats. Whats the big deal. The firearm did it. Or manufacture of the bullets. Now I'm confused
X Who
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Feral cats?
If these were feral cats, it would not be easy to catch them and almost impossible to tame them. I have seen feral cats and I couldn't get within 10 feet of them. I would never try to catch one with my hands.
Even if that is the case, he could have called animal control (unless it's such a small town that there isn't any).
If these were feral cats, it would not be easy to catch them and almost impossible to tame them. I have seen feral cats and I couldn't get within 10 feet of them. I would never try to catch one with my hands.
Even if that is the case, he could have called animal control (unless it's such a small town that there isn't any).
hankdatank1362
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It's not his damn call if he wants to euthanize the cats or not. He shot two orphaned kittens.
I'm a hunter, so don't think I'm some PETA nut or something. But the KITTENS should have had an opportunity to be captured and taken to the pound, where the very well might have found a home. Who made this guy judge, jury, and executioner of all things cute and fuzzy?
It's not like they attack kids or anything. And Christ, he did it at a school, where he isn't allowed to have a gun, and where all the little children now, probably already terrified by hearing gunshots at school, now have to try to understand why their butcher of a principal murdered two kitttens.
This dumb SOB shouldn't be roaming the streets, much less have a gun. They should bust him on every count, cruelty to animals included.
I'm a hunter, so don't think I'm some PETA nut or something. But the KITTENS should have had an opportunity to be captured and taken to the pound, where the very well might have found a home. Who made this guy judge, jury, and executioner of all things cute and fuzzy?
It's not like they attack kids or anything. And Christ, he did it at a school, where he isn't allowed to have a gun, and where all the little children now, probably already terrified by hearing gunshots at school, now have to try to understand why their butcher of a principal murdered two kitttens.
This dumb SOB shouldn't be roaming the streets, much less have a gun. They should bust him on every count, cruelty to animals included.
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You're right. In urban areas, if you own a gun, everybody views you as a criminal or terrorist, and tells their kids "stay away from crazy Mr. Joe down the street". Trust me, if you own a gun in an urban area, its best to keep it to yourself.
Rezin
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Hope he is made an example of..................
AnthonyRSS
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This guy is a moron not for killing cats, but for doing it on school property. Thats just dumb.
I can't believe all yall get upset over some kittens. Thousands are kilt every day at shelters. So sad.
I can't believe all yall get upset over some kittens. Thousands are kilt every day at shelters. So sad.
Tommygunn
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bouis said:
I highly doubt that... I had a cat that was quite good at catching rats...but I never saw a rat catch a cat.
Never saw a domesticated rat, either
...unless you count politicians.............
countertop
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Are you people serious????? Did HSUSA all of a sudden take over the high road?
If he wanted to shoot the cats, let him shoot the cats. They are strays, kill tons of songbirds and other local creatures, probably have rabies, and are nearly imposibble to find new homes for.
Shooting them is a quick, inexpensive, and humane way to dispose of them.
If he wanted to shoot the cats, let him shoot the cats. They are strays, kill tons of songbirds and other local creatures, probably have rabies, and are nearly imposibble to find new homes for.
Shooting them is a quick, inexpensive, and humane way to dispose of them.
Tommygunn said:
Heheh. Never heard of a lab rat? Domesticated rats make great pets. I had one when I was a kid. They can be taught to come when you call them, to do various tricks, etc. I don't know if they're actually smarter than cats (or how you would compare animal intelligences...), but rats are definitely intelligent, have basic emotions, are aware of pain, etc., in every way that a cat or dog is.
Only problem with keeping a rat as a pet is that they don't live very long - three years or so.
gunsmith
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He was just plain wrong
what?! he is somehow unaware of the recent spate of school shootings?
as a school administrator he was somehow unaware of laws about bringing guns to school?
now combine the two, the law and school shooting he was somehow unaware about what would happen if other kids and teachers heard gunshot.
If you are a teacher go ahead and sneak a gun to school, God bless you, just use it for protecting life and limb period.
Homer Simpson is far more qualified then this guy.
He's unquestionably a real dumb, but I disagree with felony charges.
A slap on the wrist is what I would say.
Oh, and a new job somewhere where smartness is not required...congress maybe?
what?! he is somehow unaware of the recent spate of school shootings?
as a school administrator he was somehow unaware of laws about bringing guns to school?
now combine the two, the law and school shooting he was somehow unaware about what would happen if other kids and teachers heard gunshot.
If you are a teacher go ahead and sneak a gun to school, God bless you, just use it for protecting life and limb period.
Homer Simpson is far more qualified then this guy.
He's unquestionably a real dumb, but I disagree with felony charges.
A slap on the wrist is what I would say.
Oh, and a new job somewhere where smartness is not required...congress maybe?
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It's a matter of intelligence and ethics. Shooting orphaned kittens on school grounds, especially while children are present, is neither intelligent nor ethical. As previously pointed out, it was also unnecessary.
Unrelated, but perhaps relevant: I just heard about a Marine who brought an Iraq puppy that his unit adopted to the US for a better life. And here we have an elementary school principal shooting kittens on school grounds. Humph.
Finally, if there's nothing wrong with shooting kittens on school grounds, why aren't you doing it? The very things that prevent you from doing so should've prevented him, or was he extra-special?
jfh
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I'm a cat lover, and I have a lot of sympathy for this guy.
Apparently many of you haven't sorted out ALL the details of this event, but have taken a headlong rush to judgement. That's the style of that judgement, isn't it? An outrageous sense of righteousness?
Some pertinent factors here include these items:
1. The school is in an EXTREMELY rural area. Staff at schools like these often provide anything from the assigned tasks of their contract on forward.
2. These were FERAL kittens. If you don't know what that means, then I suggest you hightail it over to the Internet and learn something. Their mother had been killed in the trap, and the kittens were apparently young enough to still be nursing. Add these factors together, and you have no viable solutions.
3. The shooting--in a very small community--was apparently near the principal's 'home'--a mobile unit provided by the district for his living quarters. However, it was about 300 feet away from the school building. At a 'school district' like this in this setting, you could well be outside the city limits even if you are still on school property.
His hometown--Blackduck, MN (?) is a rural community, and this school is located some fifty-one hundred miles further out from there. Do any of you know northern MN?
All things considered, the principal clearly did the right thing in dispatching these kittens. There is no doubt that he used bad judgement, given the current spate of 'school shootings' and given his procedure. However, it appears that he did shoot 'thoughtfully'--e.g., this incident was away from the school building, and he apparently did not shoot recklessly.
Since I've read at least three revisions of this story, I'm not sure that this version included the observation that this guy is a cat lover himself.
And, given all the circumstances of this incident, I don't think the guy should have even lost his job. A censure--some days off without pay, probably--but this is NOT an incident to riled up about.
What we have here is a rural sense and duty of self-reliance, some bad (political) judgement, and the AP's heightened sense of drama coming out of the fact that the "authorities" did not respond "promptly" to an (external) public's indignation.
Worse yet, now this school district is going to have to find another principal--and there aren't many educators suitable for this kind of contract. It sounds to me like they lost someone who may have been about the best for the job.
Apparently many of you haven't sorted out ALL the details of this event, but have taken a headlong rush to judgement. That's the style of that judgement, isn't it? An outrageous sense of righteousness?
Some pertinent factors here include these items:
1. The school is in an EXTREMELY rural area. Staff at schools like these often provide anything from the assigned tasks of their contract on forward.
2. These were FERAL kittens. If you don't know what that means, then I suggest you hightail it over to the Internet and learn something. Their mother had been killed in the trap, and the kittens were apparently young enough to still be nursing. Add these factors together, and you have no viable solutions.
3. The shooting--in a very small community--was apparently near the principal's 'home'--a mobile unit provided by the district for his living quarters. However, it was about 300 feet away from the school building. At a 'school district' like this in this setting, you could well be outside the city limits even if you are still on school property.
His hometown--Blackduck, MN (?) is a rural community, and this school is located some fifty-one hundred miles further out from there. Do any of you know northern MN?
All things considered, the principal clearly did the right thing in dispatching these kittens. There is no doubt that he used bad judgement, given the current spate of 'school shootings' and given his procedure. However, it appears that he did shoot 'thoughtfully'--e.g., this incident was away from the school building, and he apparently did not shoot recklessly.
Since I've read at least three revisions of this story, I'm not sure that this version included the observation that this guy is a cat lover himself.
And, given all the circumstances of this incident, I don't think the guy should have even lost his job. A censure--some days off without pay, probably--but this is NOT an incident to riled up about.
What we have here is a rural sense and duty of self-reliance, some bad (political) judgement, and the AP's heightened sense of drama coming out of the fact that the "authorities" did not respond "promptly" to an (external) public's indignation.
Worse yet, now this school district is going to have to find another principal--and there aren't many educators suitable for this kind of contract. It sounds to me like they lost someone who may have been about the best for the job.
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