Problem with a dealer

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This last month has been crazy, and I just wanted to share this, and possibly get some advice.

Back in January, I purchased a firearm online and had it shipped to the dealer. Once it arrived, I was notified and set up an appointment to come in and do a bg check. The dealer ran the check through NICS, and I got a delay. The following day, the dealer emails me, informing me that I was denied, which wasn't a surprise with all that has been going on. With that happening, the firearm had to be shipped back, with me paying a 15% restocking fee before I was refunded the rest.

More than a week passed, and I hadn't received the refund to my credit card, so I decided to contact the bank. I just wanted to know with the charge for the firearm being on a card that was cancelled due to fraudulent activity, would the refund still reach my new account. (Side note: When I charged the card to purchase the firearm, 2 charges that I did not make appeared on the same day. One charge really stuck out to me, which was academy.com, a sports and outdoor store popular here in Texas. The charge for the firearm was the first charge to the card in a while, which made me think that the fraud was due to their servers not being secure, or the dealer is the culprit.) The rep that I was speaking to suggested that I file a dispute since the refund was taking longer than I expected. I filed the claim, and the bank credited my account. A couple of days later, the refund finally comes. Mind you, I did not want to file a claim, I just wanted to confirm that my refund would reach my new account.

This morning, I received a private call on my cell, and what do you know, it's the dealer. He starts off by complaining that I did a charge back, so now he has to take out the time to reverse it, "even though it's not hard", as he says. I told him that it was taking long to receive the refund, so the bank issued a credit until the refund came, and that he should be dealing with the bank instead of calling me. As he's talking over me, I told him to speak with some respect, so in turn he tells me that I should respect his time. He said that I wasted his time by coming in trying to illegally purchase a firearm (Which is not true, I am not a prohibited person. There are arrests, but definitely no convictions or anything.), and that he looked into my history; basically calling me a criminal. He continues his rant before telling me to have a nice life with my "criminal activity". I believe the guy was angry because he had to do extra work, when he actually doesn't have to do anything. I believe him or whoever he's associated with is a criminal; I find it strange that the one time I use my card for a purchase, my bank contacts me for fraudulent activity on my credit card.

My question is, although arrests are public record, as a business/dealer, is he allowed to look into information of a customer like that? If he's not allowed to, what can be done in this situation?
 
Don't really have an answer, but public information is just that. I don't believe the dealer is under any legal obligation to not look at public information.

That being said, I think the dealers response to this whole thing was a bit harsh.
 
My question is, although arrests are public record, as a business/dealer, is he allowed to look into information of a customer like that? If he's not allowed to, what can be done in this situation?


Kinda the purpose behind "public records" is they are available to anyone. From my understanding, a FFL has the right to deny a sale to anyone he feels uncomfortable selling a gun too, as long as it's not discriminatory because of race, ethnic origin, etc. Does he legally have the right to look up court records to help him make that decision? I dunno.

I'd get over it, move on and find a different FFL. I'd also try and find out why I was originally denied to avoid having to pay a restock charge next time.
 
Kinda the purpose behind "public records" is they are available to anyone. From my understanding, a FFL has the right to deny a sale to anyone he feels uncomfortable selling a gun too, as long as it's not discriminatory because of race, ethnic origin, etc. Does he legally have the right to look up court records to help him make that decision? I dunno.

I'd get over it, move on and find a different FFL. I'd also try and find out why I was originally denied to avoid having to pay a restock charge next time.
Well, he never denied the sale, we went through everything then NICS denied it. I don't typically buy firearms online, but the price was very reasonable. Needless to say, I will purchase in-store from now on. I have common name, that is most likely the reason. I have sent in my appeal, with certified documents, so I am not worried. I just don't appreciate the harassment and accusations from someone who should be professional in the first place, and from someone who could possibly be a criminal themselves.
 
Businesses struggle with charge backs, not surprised he wasn't too happy. You disputed a charge you knew was legitimate because it was 'taking too long' for a refund.

Like buck460 said time to move on, although I wouldn't bother finding another FFL and doing the same thing to him, it sounds like you're a prohibited person (I don't see why you'd be denied for an arrest where charges were dropped so there's likely more to it). There is a number you can call to find out why you were denied, I would start there if you think you shouldn't be prohibited.

Edit: Saw your response, sounds like you're sorting it out. Don't get the last sentence though, I don't think the FFL dealer is a 'criminal himself'. :scrutiny:
 
Businesses struggle with charge backs, not surprised he wasn't too happy. You disputed a charge you knew was legitimate because it was 'taking too long' for a refund.

Like buck460 said time to move on, although I wouldn't bother finding another FFL and doing the same thing to him, it sounds like you're a prohibited person (I don't see why you'd be denied for an arrest where charges were dropped so there's likely more to it). There is a number you can call to find out why you were denied, I would start there if you think you shouldn't be prohibited.

Edit: Saw your response, sounds like you're sorting it out. Don't get the last sentence though, I don't think the FFL dealer is a 'criminal himself'. :scrutiny:
If you actually read what I typed in my original post, you would see where I said I did not want to do a dispute. I have a right to be concerned with my money, especially when fraudulent activity suddenly comes up when doing business with the dealer. I basically called the bank to see if my refund would reach my new account, since the previous one was closed due to unauthorized charges. The bank is the one that suggested that I do a dispute.

Do you know how many others get denied a gun purchase, when they actually have the right to do so? It's happening more and more lately. There's nothing more to it. Also, refer to the post above yours, already done.
 
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