Progressive press worth the money.....

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Who make a progressive press worth the money(under 500ish)?

Manual or auto? One better that the other?

Options - good or bad - others
RCBS 2000
Hornady LNL
Lee
Dillion

Looking at possible upgrading from my Rock Chucker II.

Wanting to load 9, 45, 243 and 6.5x55. And maybe others as time goes on.
 
I have a RCBS Pro2000 and I love it. I have never used the others though. The set-up is cumbersome as the instructions are poor but the rest works quite well. The powder measure is spot on. I like the primer system which keeps the primers separated and the press includes a primer loading tray. I wouldn't trade mine. People rave about the dillon. I wouldn't hesitate to buy the RCBS, Dillon, or Hornady. I have heard and read the Lee progressive is very finicky.
 
All the presses you've listed do a good job for their owners. The Lee is the least expensive and requires the most fiddling. For pistol, any of the other three will do you a great job. The Hornady has a bit better runout for rifle cartridges than the others. The Hornady and the Dillon (assuming 650 here) are a bit faster to load with due to not having to fiddle with the press and automatic advance, though I believe RCBS now offers automatic advance for their press, but I don't think you can upgrade RCBS to a case feeder system.

If you want and need high volume, you'd want a case feeder system. There's good arguments for any of the systems, but you should use your round count and major usage decide which press, as they all have excellent support.

Another excellent option, if you want flexibility and need a medium quantity of rounds built faster than a single stage, without needing a large quantity of rounds, is a Lee Classic Turret setup. It can turn out an easy 200 rounds an hour (and more if you work at it.) when it's completely setup with a Safety Prime kit and automated powder drops. Provides enough rounds and enough speed to easily fill the needs of most reloaders, is very flexible, easy to use, good quality and the caliber conversions are very affordable (as is the entire setup) compared to most of the progressives.

Unless you shoot a ton of rounds or are extremely short on time, the Lee Classic Turret will satisfy your need for the speed you're not getting from your single stage and loads good cartridges.

Regards,

Dave
 
Not familiar with Dillons. What model is needed or used best for the calibers listed above?
 
A Longer Post about Progressive Presses

The progressive press is dedicated to those individuals who obviously either desire to reload in large volume or wish to reload at a higher speed; the two actually are interrelated. I often reload 600 to 1000 rounds at a time, but also at times reload a few rounds as I work up loads. I definitely enjoy using a progressive over the slower presses i.e. single stage or turret presses when reloading large volume and also have no problems reloading one round at a time on a progressive press either. If you are not a large volume reloader or don't prefer to load at a quicker rate then I would look at the Lee Classic Turret press as it is built very well, reliable, and is fairly inexpensive. The Classic Turret enables one to still load around 150 to maybe 200 pistol rounds in an hour taking your time which isn't bad for a person who doesn't shoot tons of rounds every week and doesn't mind reloading time. I have owned all types of presses and have moved from one to the next as my volume increased and opinions changed.

Here is my opinion on progressive presses! I am a cost efficient person and will look towards finding products that are reliable at a better price. I was a Dillon owner by family trend, father was a Dillon man, and although the Dillon 650 is a nicer finished machine and had fewer issues out of the box (due to better factory control--I will discuss this a little later) it cost 3 to 4 times as much as a Lee Load-Master and the caliber changes are much more expensive than a lee as well. Once I modified some parts, sanded or filed here and there for the indexing rod, and set the indexing correctly I have actually had the same repeatable success with the Load-Master as I did with any of the Dillons I owned (had a 550 before selling it to pay for the 650). There has been no tinkering or adjusting once I did all the initial setup and performed the minor modifications found on Loadmaster Zone - http://loadmastervideos.com/

Once I worked with the Load-Master long enough (four years and thousands and thousands of 45 acp rounds later) and felt that it was a solid functioning press, I finally ensured myself that I could let go of Dillon comfort blanket. I sold the 650 to a Dillon nut who thought I was the nut and now own two Loadmasters and still have not come close to the cost of the 650. I did not have the case feeder with the Dillon as it would cost more than an entire lee loadmaster kit in itself so again the Loadmaster prevails as it comes with this if you buy a kit. I could actually buy another Loadmaster kit and would be getting closer in cost to the Dillon 650 and its caliber changes.

I may be one of the few who have actually sold a Dillon to buy a Lee and maybe the only one to post it on a forum but having two progressives presses dedicated to certain cartridges is really nice and I have no problems showing my cost efficient nature. I actually bought my Loadmasters as rebuilt or reconditioned for $175 shipped directly from Lee Precision. They were both kits so I had everything I needed except the extra die for crimping (454 casull reloader and prefer crimping in another stage) and the universal decaping die which I use in station 1.
NOTE: if you choose rebuilt keep in mind you are receiving a press that is used so there are sometimes cosmetic flaws etc. but everything will work fine and if you don’t think something is right call lee and they will send you what you need at no cost.

A little more about the Load-Master and my experiences:

There are many mixed results on the Loadmaster and there are tons of forums concerning the topic. Once set up properly coupled with the fairly easy modifications the Loadmaster performs without a hitch, but one needs to be patient during setup and make sure everything is adjusted properly. If one chooses a Loadmaster I highly recommend the website: Loadmaster Zone @ http://loadmastervideos.com/ You will immediately see that the factory directions are less than desirable so having videos helps tremendously and I still wished there was this website when I setup the first press.

The videos eliminate errors as well as saves time and parts; in fact I never ruined a single part the second time around even the plastic ones that people are so concerned about. Yes, I did mention there are plastic parts and if you look at the Dillon, Hornady, or RCBS presses they all have plastic too. I see plastic as a good thing on the Loadmaster as these parts are very inexpensive $1 and help save the more expensive ones (simply have spares so if you the operator accidentally messes up you are not left without ammo). I rarely have broken parts though. If you are frugal like me, one doesn't even have to pay for the parts. Mail out the broken parts to Lee, usually for the cost of a postage stamp, and put in a little note with what you need and they will have new parts sent in the mail in a few days. I've even called them and they sent me parts free of charge as well.

Progressive presses in general: AGAIN BE PATIENT during setup as all progressive presses have problems at first, but more so with Lee progressives as I don't think their presses leave the factory with such watchful eyes as Dillon, RCBS, or Hornady and I believe this is why the Loadmaster and Pro 1000 receive such bad reviews. People expect to pull these Lee machines from the box and have them index and feed primers correctly with no adjustments and I will tell you, this is not probable. I took a good 3 hours from mounting, to making the case ejector modification (Loadmaster Zone video), to adjusting the indexing, to lubing, to running dry runs before I started to reload single rounds. Reloading about 50 single rounds to fully see how the press ran I then move to full progressive and was off and going.

With the videos I actually reset the 1st press and with the case ejector modification I eliminated those occasional indexing problems I once had; it runs smoother than ever. I also suggest if one decides Loadmaster that you size at the same time you prime (station 2) as this keeps the brass in place while priming. A good tip, make sure the press indexes without any problems before you setup the dies in the turret etc. The correct indexing alignment (shell plate carrier and case ejector modification) as well as using the sizing die in station 2 is a critical part to success of this press.
 
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Asking is it worth the money depends on how much you shoot. If you just load 100 rounds at a time no. 1000 at a time, probably. I just have singles but the father inlaw has a 550 I can use any time.
 
I have this debate with myself every time I go into the garage and see that Dillon 1050 sitting over on the bench under that beautiful blue cover. That's a lot of money sitting there, that I rarely use. Heck, says I, I can load on my old turret or single stage press for all the use I get out of the Dillon.

Then Thursday my prairie dog shootin' buddy calls, and we are going out Saturday morning, bright and early, but I have no ammo. So I go out, take the cover off that press, and load up 250 rounds in about 20 minutes.

Suddenly, it seems worth the money!
 
For me it is worth it to own a progressive press to load pistol calibers.
I have 2 Hornady progressives, a Pro-7 from the mid 70s I bought well used and a L-N-L AP I have had a couple of years.
I have had no trouble from either.
 
Dillon RL550B. I have been using one for nearly 20 years...never a problem and if there was Dillon has there no BS warranty...it is covered for life...period....it breaks they fix it. I believe the 650 is the 550 with the auto case feeder. I have easily done 300 rounds an hour. If you hustle (not recommended) you could probally double that rate.

The 650 does this with auto indexing but it is a bit more $$$

The Square Deal B is the lower priced press but it offers the auto index as well.
 
I don`t have a progressive but glad my brother does, because when he bought it, he gave me his lee turrent press, I now have more ammo loaded than I can shoot. When I shoot I run thru 200 to 300 rds of various calibers and can replace it in a couple of nites reloading after work.
 
Hey Viking.

Remember that you will be getting opinions about presses (yes, even the big article on 3 presses we always see on these threads is based on someone's opinion) and that the only final opinion that matters most is yours.

What tools do you use? Snap On?? Craftsman?? Mack?? Harbor Freight?? you see what I am getting at?

Have fun in your dicision, whether you go Red, Green, Blue, Orange or any other color...
 
Lee will be the cheapest, and will require the most hands-on of any of them to get it setup 100% correctly. Once setup, and you learn the quirks, it makes ammo as good as anything off of any other brand press, and quickly. Parts and accessories are inexpensive. Lee basically took the idea of the progressive press and found ways to do it inexpensively, like a case feeder- the Dillon case feeder is as expensive as a whole new Pro1000 press. However, Lee includes it and the collator funnel that makes it great is ten bucks more.
 
Hello Viking,

I remember your questions on at least one previous thread. I didn't get into the single stage vs progressive question because you had not given enough information to give a realistic reply. You still haven't given enough information but you are getting closer.

" Wanting to load 9, 45, 243 and 6.5x55. And maybe others as time goes on."

1. So if you are going to shoot 6.5x55 in the quantity I do and .243 in the quantity I do, you could do it on your Rockchucker. It is a good single stage and 200 rounds per year is nothing - I shoot about 80 to 100 rounds of each of those calibers per year -even though in some years I have shot 2 or three times that yearly volume.

2. Now for 9mm and 45 acp (with an annual volume of 5K -10K plus for each) the Rrockchucker is way more trouble than it is worth in my opinon. You would need a progressive to keep a decent balance between trigger time and reloading time.

You received some good answers earlier on this thread but if you could just clarify your annual ammo requirements I think the answers you get would be even better. What is your projected monthly or annual round count? In which caliber's? You had some other caliber's listed in your other posts. PM if you want or if you are not sure.

Regards,

:):):)

.
 
Wanting to load 9, 45, 243 and 6.5x55. And maybe others as time goes on.
I had a Dillon 450, and would strongly advise against it unless it's dedicated to one caliber. Caliber change outs are awful. I now have a 550 and it's WAY better.

I think way too many guys base their criteria on "this one is $5 cheaper than that one". I put up with the frustration of "cheaper". Why have thousands of dollars worth of guns, then not shoot them because it's too much trouble to load ammo? You'll spend $30,000 on a car you have four years but won't spend $300 on a press you will have a lifetime?

Buy good. Buy once.
 
Thanks Mike. After reading your post and the others, I decided that because of my low round count right now(similar to yours on the rifles), I will stick with my single stage and put out some watchful eyes for a progressive. Maybe I will make santa happy this year and the favor will be returned:D

I would like to shoot more than I do, but since I am not doing it right now, it would be hard to justify the cost of the progressive. Pistols are a recent thing I have been getting into, but have only been shooting what ammo I have until I make a trip to the store to get more. If I had more I would probably shoot more. But, I still need to pick up my rifle dies, powder, etc. Think I will put a new press on the short/long list of things to buy. I want to experiment with some rifle loads anyway, thats nothing to be done in quantity yet.

FWIW, from what I have read and studied, and from looking at the maufacturers websites, I would say I have Hornady in first and then in second, probably Lee or RCBS(if the money tree blooms again).
 
Hello Viking,

Good to see that you are taking your time.

I would also try to use some of these presses. Do you know anyone with any of these progressives? that would help.

Good Luck Mate.

Cheers
 
I would definitely recommend a good used Hornday Projector or lock n load. You may be able to find one used for under $200. They are a well built heavy press with a sizeable ram. I don't like the Hornady powder measure that came with my press so I use an RCBS measure instead, works just fine. I also have an RCBS 4x4 progressive I like for load development when running off small batches of ammo. It has manual indexing and is perfect for small runs.
 
The progressive press is dedicated to those individuals who obviously either desire to reload in large volume or wish to reload at a higher speed; the two actually are interrelated. I often reload 600 to 1000 rounds at a time, but also at times reload a few rounds as I work up loads. I definitely enjoy using a progressive over the slower presses i.e. single stage or turret presses when reloading large volume and also have no problems reloading one round at a time on a progressive press either. If you are not a large volume reloader or don't prefer to load at a quicker rate then I would look at the Lee Classic Turret press as it is built very well, reliable, and is fairly inexpensive. The Classic Turret enables one to still load around 150 to maybe 200 pistol rounds in an hour taking your time which isn't bad for a person who doesn't shoot tons of rounds every week and doesn't mind reloading time. I have owned all types of presses and have moved from one to the next as my volume increased and opinions changed.

Here is my opinion on progressive presses! I am a cost efficient person and will look towards finding products that are reliable at a better price. I was a Dillon owner by family trend, father was a Dillon man, and although the Dillon 650 is a nicer finished machine and had fewer issues out of the box (due to better factory control--I will discuss this a little later) it cost 3 to 4 times as much as a Lee Load-Master and the caliber changes are much more expensive than a lee as well. Once I modified some parts, sanded or filed here and there for the indexing rod, and set the indexing correctly I have actually had the same repeatable success with the Load-Master as I did with any of the Dillons I owned (had a 550 before selling it to pay for the 650). There has been no tinkering or adjusting once I did all the initial setup and performed the minor modifications found on Loadmaster Zone - http://loadmastervideos.com/

Once I worked with the Load-Master long enough (four years and thousands and thousands of 45 acp rounds later) and felt that it was a solid functioning press, I finally ensured myself that I could let go of Dillon comfort blanket. I sold the 650 to a Dillon nut who thought I was the nut and now own two Loadmasters and still have not come close to the cost of the 650. I did not have the case feeder with the Dillon as it would cost more than an entire lee loadmaster kit in itself so again the Loadmaster prevails as it comes with this if you buy a kit. I could actually buy another Loadmaster kit and would be getting closer in cost to the Dillon 650 and its caliber changes.

I may be one of the few who have actually sold a Dillon to buy a Lee and maybe the only one to post it on a forum but having two progressives presses dedicated to certain cartridges is really nice and I have no problems showing my cost efficient nature. I actually bought my Loadmasters as rebuilt or reconditioned for $175 shipped directly from Lee Precision. They were both kits so I had everything I needed except the extra die for crimping (454 casull reloader and prefer crimping in another stage) and the universal decaping die which I use in station 1.
NOTE: if you choose rebuilt keep in mind you are receiving a press that is used so there are sometimes cosmetic flaws etc. but everything will work fine and if you don’t think something is right call lee and they will send you what you need at no cost.

A little more about the Load-Master and my experiences:

There are many mixed results on the Loadmaster and there are tons of forums concerning the topic. Once set up properly coupled with the fairly easy modifications the Loadmaster performs without a hitch, but one needs to be patient during setup and make sure everything is adjusted properly. If one chooses a Loadmaster I highly recommend the website: Loadmaster Zone @ http://loadmastervideos.com/ You will immediately see that the factory directions are less than desirable so having videos helps tremendously and I still wished there was this website when I setup the first press.

The videos eliminate errors as well as saves time and parts; in fact I never ruined a single part the second time around even the plastic ones that people are so concerned about. Yes, I did mention there are plastic parts and if you look at the Dillon, Hornady, or RCBS presses they all have plastic too. I see plastic as a good thing on the Loadmaster as these parts are very inexpensive $1 and help save the more expensive ones (simply have spares so if you the operator accidentally messes up you are not left without ammo). I rarely have broken parts though. If you are frugal like me, one doesn't even have to pay for the parts. Mail out the broken parts to Lee, usually for the cost of a postage stamp, and put in a little note with what you need and they will have new parts sent in the mail in a few days. I've even called them and they sent me parts free of charge as well.

Progressive presses in general: AGAIN BE PATIENT during setup as all progressive presses have problems at first, but more so with Lee progressives as I don't think their presses leave the factory with such watchful eyes as Dillon, RCBS, or Hornady and I believe this is why the Loadmaster and Pro 1000 receive such bad reviews. People expect to pull these Lee machines from the box and have them index and feed primers correctly with no adjustments and I will tell you, this is not probable. I took a good 3 hours from mounting, to making the case ejector modification (Loadmaster Zone video), to adjusting the indexing, to lubing, to running dry runs before I started to reload single rounds. Reloading about 50 single rounds to fully see how the press ran I then move to full progressive and was off and going.

With the videos I actually reset the 1st press and with the case ejector modification I eliminated those occasional indexing problems I once had; it runs smoother than ever. I also suggest if one decides Loadmaster that you size at the same time you prime (station 2) as this keeps the brass in place while priming. A good tip, make sure the press indexes without any problems before you setup the dies in the turret etc. The correct indexing alignment (shell plate carrier and case ejector modification) as well as using the sizing die in station 2 is a critical part to success of this press.
RobS, that's probably the best description of the Load Master I've seen to date. After watching all the videos on the Load Master, I to, sold my Dillon and bought a LM. It runs flawlessly. I've been so pleased with the Load Master. The Dillons and others are good presses, no doubt, but when it comes to value in a progressive, the Load Master stands out.
Bronson7
 
What is the big advantage of manual vs automatic? I know auto would be nice if doing large quantity often, but does the manual work ok? I know it would just be slower, but faster than a single stage.

Wonder if a manual setup would suit me better than auto?

Manual vs auto comparisons? Price comparisons from one to the other?

Who has a good reliable manual setup?(Are they called turrets?)

I could get a piggyback 3 setup to go on my rockchucker II, but I read somewhere that it will only do up to 223 rifle ammo.....

I do like the idea of having a press plate that I could leave my dies on and swap out with another plate to load a different caliber.......

Are their dies made for the single stage press that can be taken in and out without having to readjust everytime you put them in? I know the lock nuts hold them in, but if I remember from years ago, you still had to fiddle and fine tune everytime you put them back in the press.
 
Not sure if this is a valid point, but one may consider the press's overall versality. Yes, they'll all do progressives loads, but what if you want to use them as a single stage, or a turret? And to add to that, which one will be as good as a high-quality single stage?

The progressive I have has these abilities. I can put the case in any station and do something with it. I can change the toolhead in seconds, but the shellplate takes a bit longer.

With sizing to headspace, my press is as accurate as an ammomaster. Same with bullet seating. That really suprised me as I would have put money on the single stage.

I guess one could ask the question, "which one of these presses will work solo, without an additional single stage or turret without sacraficing accuracy?".

To answer the last question and taking this post into consideration, manual advancing would be a better choice. I would also make sure the press can handle competition type dies with standard threads.

Just a thought...
 
There are at least two ways to get single stage versatility out of a progressive press: a manually indexed press like the Dillon 550 or the RCBS 2000 can be used with a single station by simply not advancing the shell plate, and removing/inserting cartridges from/to that station. Removing the dies you don't need on an auto-indexing press like the Dillon 650, the Hornady LNL AP, or the AI version of the RCBS 2000 also works well. Of the latter, the LNL AP is easier to remove individual dies. The 650 and LNL AP allow you to still use a case feeder even for a single stage operation.

I agree that even the article I posted the link to is a matter of opinion, but it does give some insight into the intricacies of using the presses that is not available from the catalog descriptions. Like every other opinion on here, it too should be taken with a grain of salt.

Andy
 
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