Seeing photos posted by people I know after they buy PSA when I recommend otherwise isn't regurgitating when I read, exactly.
But that wasn't on THR so I'll let it go in this thread now
PSA levels of quality
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Seeing photos posted by people I know after they buy PSA when I recommend otherwise isn't regurgitating when I read, exactly.
But that wasn't on THR so I'll let it go in this thread now
WinThePennant
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Regarding BCM, I own many BCM products. I do not own a BCM rifle.
That said, I consider their barrels, BCGs, and charging handles to be of the highest quality.
That said, I consider their barrels, BCGs, and charging handles to be of the highest quality.
OilyPablo
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I am not saying their products are bad. Just more than one person has bragged on them to me. My experience is like yours. Good, but not worth bragging. Any given specialized part I can find a generic that works as well or a mid or upper end part that is better for nearly the same dollars.
Are you saying you don't "get" BCM because you can get something as good for the same price, or something better for more?
OilyPablo
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No. I am saying I don't understand why so many people brag that it is the best.Are you saying you don't "get" BCM because you can get something as good for the same price, or something better for more?
I don't see a lot of people saying they are "the best". They are very good, great specs on everything, great CS and shipping speed and QC, and reasonably priced. "The Best" would probably be something made by the likes of LaRue, Knights Armament Company, maybe Lewis Machine and Tool...not really sure...one would have to quantify what makes it "the best".
The best for the money...still a Colt, BCM, Spikes, something like that.
The best cheap? Probably S&W Sport.
Best for the money right now:
http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-16-chf-mid-length-rifle-kit.html
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EDIT: was the best deal
http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-16-chf-mid-length-rifle-kit.html
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EDIT: was the best deal
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Sent PSA an email and asked who produced their stainless barrel and this was the reply I got.....
"Unfortunately we do not have the exact maker of that barrel at our disposal but our office has been told that it's a domestic, MIL-SPEC manufacturer."
"Unfortunately we do not have the exact maker of that barrel at our disposal but our office has been told that it's a domestic, MIL-SPEC manufacturer."
That's a PSA answer lol
Also, note the difference between saying that it is a "mil-spec barrel" or mil-spec part, and saying it is a "mil-spec manufacturer" (whatever that means). Granted I don't think a stainless AR barrel could be mil-spec, but some companies just like to make it sound like all of their stuff is "mil-spec" when, well...it isn't.
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We get it, you have adequately conveyed that you have a disdain for PSA, and zero experience with their products of which you speak.
Mission accomplished, you can stop trolling this thread now.
I would prefer hearing from people who have experience with what they are speaking about, instead of regurgitated second and third hand info.
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I made a relevant observation/statement about what somebody just posted. If you don't like that they don't know their own products like that (and seem to be misleading people more with phrases like "mil-spec manufacturer" talk to PSA about it.
The week before Thanksgiving, PSA had their PTAC M4 slick-side nitride carbine kit on sale for $300 shipped. I couldn't resist and ended up with a complete gun (with the lower, handle/sight, sling, and magazine) for $400 including all taxes, shipping, and the FFL fee.
I've only had it out twice so far (~100 rounds total) due to my schedule and the weather, but the carbine has functioned flawlessly, and a quick test has shown it to be fairly accurate, especially for the money.
The PTAC may not be as nicely finished as a $1500 AR, but the finish on it is decent, and I haven't found any QC issues. If I was in the market for another AR, I would not hesitate to get another one at that price. It's hard to argue against a properly functioning AR for $400.
I've only had it out twice so far (~100 rounds total) due to my schedule and the weather, but the carbine has functioned flawlessly, and a quick test has shown it to be fairly accurate, especially for the money.
The PTAC may not be as nicely finished as a $1500 AR, but the finish on it is decent, and I haven't found any QC issues. If I was in the market for another AR, I would not hesitate to get another one at that price. It's hard to argue against a properly functioning AR for $400.
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I use PSA as a boutique store on AR uppers. LOL.
Their top end barrel is actually better than anything BCM has to offer on paper.
My PSA 18in FN CHF SS410 upper shoots 3/4 groups at 100yds. My PSA FN 20in CHF CL govt barrel shoots 1in. Both using bulk match grade ammo.
Lately it seems they have not built any high end upper using FN barrels for a while. Probably because of AR market saturation.
Their top end barrel is actually better than anything BCM has to offer on paper.
My PSA 18in FN CHF SS410 upper shoots 3/4 groups at 100yds. My PSA FN 20in CHF CL govt barrel shoots 1in. Both using bulk match grade ammo.
Lately it seems they have not built any high end upper using FN barrels for a while. Probably because of AR market saturation.
grubbylabs
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Well I just put together an AR for the first time. Well the lower half any way. The upper came assembled with a BCG. I watched a 30 minute you tube video as I was going, every thing went pretty well considering I don't have any of the blocks or other items used for holding the rifle in a vise or down on your bench. I took it out this morning after putting it together, emptied a 30 round mag without any problems.
The total cost was around $450.00 if I had 2k to blow right now, I would order 4 of them for my self.
The total cost was around $450.00 if I had 2k to blow right now, I would order 4 of them for my self.
Creature
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I love watching THR members argue about their favorite brand of AR being better than someone else's.
My advice is that if you get the opportunity to walk along line near the end of a EAG carbine ourse or similar, taking note of the brands that are still chuggin' along on the final day of the course...those are the ones that you ought to be considering. My hunch is that you will likely see more BCM rifles still up on the line on day three than PSA builds.
No matter how much you want your PSA to be 'the rifle", it's just not going to hold up like a BCM or DD. Just like a BCM or DD isn't going to perform quite like a LWRC or a LMT rifle. That's just me though.
My advice is that if you get the opportunity to walk along line near the end of a EAG carbine ourse or similar, taking note of the brands that are still chuggin' along on the final day of the course...those are the ones that you ought to be considering. My hunch is that you will likely see more BCM rifles still up on the line on day three than PSA builds.
No matter how much you want your PSA to be 'the rifle", it's just not going to hold up like a BCM or DD. Just like a BCM or DD isn't going to perform quite like a LWRC or a LMT rifle. That's just me though.
Creature
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Really?
Please cite where you read that because I remember reading the BLV findings and specifically remember a guy named Ron from BLV saying that their twenty or so PSA uppers did NOT have a high round counts.
Creature
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I read BLV's findings before what has been thrown around in this thread...I want to know where the 20,000 rounds count can from. Because that is not what I read BLV reporting regarding their PSA uppers
Its still there for me... #39?
maxxhavoc
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Actually, they are at 30,000-50,000 rounds as of November, with only bolt failures on par with other manufacturers.
From the original thread on arfcom.
https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/677135_High_round_count_AR_M4_s__over_100_000_rounds__and_how_they_have_handled_on_our_range.html&page=26
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^^from that discussion about high round count range guns
"I've had quite a few PM's asking about the status of the Palmetto State Armory uppers. We have been running 5.56mm uppers with CHF and nitride 10.5", 11.5" and 12" barrel lengths as well as the 10.5" melonite 9mm uppers.
I never purchased melonite or nitrided uppers prior to these units (that I know of) and was actually more concerned about physical appearance to be honest. I know that even the cheapest barrels have lasted 10's of thousands of rounds with no issue but I wasn't sure how well the finish would hold up with all the cleaning and handling. As I've stated before, physical appearance is almost as important and functionality because customers who've never handled firearms before don't have much confidence in an ugly but reliable weapon. All three of the different types of uppers have held up with no issues or reliability of finish. These uppers in particular are getting used more than the others at this point because we put so many on the line.
With the 5.56 uppers, we've lost a total of 5 bolts since we put them on the line. I've paid particular attention to these uppers because I have to make sure that we are getting our money's worth (I know, they are cheap to begin with) and also reliable enough to give the customers a great experience. I've seen these guns with the PSA uppers on the line every day of the week and they just run. Of course we swap them out every few days for a cleaning but there isn't a day when there's at least 8 of their uppers on the line. The last three months have been a little busier than last year at the same time so the round count is higher than we expected for this time of the year. Depending when they went on the line, it's a fair estimate to say the lowest estimate for some is 30,000 rounds and up to 50,000 rounds on others. The uppers with the higher round counts have suffered from sheared/cracked bolt lugs but that is on par with bolts from other manufacturers."
https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118...w_they_have_handled_on_our_range.html&page=26
I came away from that discussion with the impression that their rifles are comparable in quality to anything else out there, with the exception of their 9mm bolt that is inferior to the Colt unit.
"I've had quite a few PM's asking about the status of the Palmetto State Armory uppers. We have been running 5.56mm uppers with CHF and nitride 10.5", 11.5" and 12" barrel lengths as well as the 10.5" melonite 9mm uppers.
I never purchased melonite or nitrided uppers prior to these units (that I know of) and was actually more concerned about physical appearance to be honest. I know that even the cheapest barrels have lasted 10's of thousands of rounds with no issue but I wasn't sure how well the finish would hold up with all the cleaning and handling. As I've stated before, physical appearance is almost as important and functionality because customers who've never handled firearms before don't have much confidence in an ugly but reliable weapon. All three of the different types of uppers have held up with no issues or reliability of finish. These uppers in particular are getting used more than the others at this point because we put so many on the line.
With the 5.56 uppers, we've lost a total of 5 bolts since we put them on the line. I've paid particular attention to these uppers because I have to make sure that we are getting our money's worth (I know, they are cheap to begin with) and also reliable enough to give the customers a great experience. I've seen these guns with the PSA uppers on the line every day of the week and they just run. Of course we swap them out every few days for a cleaning but there isn't a day when there's at least 8 of their uppers on the line. The last three months have been a little busier than last year at the same time so the round count is higher than we expected for this time of the year. Depending when they went on the line, it's a fair estimate to say the lowest estimate for some is 30,000 rounds and up to 50,000 rounds on others. The uppers with the higher round counts have suffered from sheared/cracked bolt lugs but that is on par with bolts from other manufacturers."
https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118...w_they_have_handled_on_our_range.html&page=26
I came away from that discussion with the impression that their rifles are comparable in quality to anything else out there, with the exception of their 9mm bolt that is inferior to the Colt unit.
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