coosbaycreep
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I already have the standard PTR91, 21 mags, hensholdt(?) "sniper" scope, and about 1100 rounds of ammo. Unfortunately, most of my ammo is south african surplus, which doesn't cycle reliably in my gun. Of course I didn't know that SA ammo would be unreliable until I had already spend about $500 on it, and was told so by PTR after emailing them and complaining about how my $1100 rifle had suddenly become a gnarly looking single shot.
Other than with the SA ammo, I don't have any complaints about the accuracy or reliability of my PTR, although I have only put 200-300 rounds through it so far. There's a lot of things I'd like to do it to make it better (trigger job, stock, bipod handguard, etc), but after pricing all that stuff, and the fact that it costs me about $17 to load up a magazine, I'm really starting to like this gun less and less, and that's why I'm considering switching calibers/guns.
The main purpose of this gun is a full power .30 cal "SHTF" rifle BTW.
I've done a fair amount of research on PSLs in the past, and there seems to be a lot of conflicting reports. From what I've read, they shoot anywhere from 1 MOA to 4" groups, with 2" groups being about normal. I think my PTR is suppose to shoot 1-2" groups, so the PSL is accurate enough as far as I'm concerned, especially since I'm a lousy shot anyway.
I also understand that most people claiming 2" with the PSL are using the cheap corrosive ammo. If I get a PSL, I will probably stock up on wolf ammo instead (which is more than the corrosive stuff, but still cheaper than remington/winchester/federal .308 required to work reliably in my PTR), as I'm rather lazy, and don't want to shoot corrosive ammo through a $750 gun. Also, I already know to only use light ammo in the PSL.
My main concern is reliability and safety. I know the PSL is based on the AK action, but is it as reliable as a regular AK? I've read posts in the past about firing out of battery too. Is this still a problem? Is the quality of the PSL as varied as it is between Romanian AKs, and is it common to find a lemon?
How does the PSL scope compare to the PTR hensholdt scope?
Are there any 20 round mags available for the PSL? I've only seen 10 rounders, and personally, I think any proper battle rifle should hold at least 20 rounds, although I'd give up capacity for something I could afford to shoot.
How's the ergonomics on the PSL? I was starting to warm up to the awkwardness of the PTR, but now I'm really starting to hate it.
How's the recoil of the PSL? The PTR 91 is really bad from a rest I think, and gives me a headache after very few rounds.
Basically the main reasons I'm thinking about switching guns is because of ammo cost, ergonomics, and reliability (because of the poor reliability of "affordable" ammo in the PTR). So, having said all that, and considering the fact that I could buy a new PSL and a lot of ammo if I sold my PTR/ammo, what should I do, stick with the gun I can't afford to shoot and don't like shooting when I do shoot it? Or ditch the wanna-be HK for a wanna-be commie sniper rifle?
The PSL and the PTR are the only two guns I'm interested in too. If I keep the PTR and all the SA ammo, I might eventually buy a saiga .308 too, but I'm not interested in any other guns/calibers right now.
P.S. I'd also like to post a poll between the PTR and PSL, but don't know how to.
Other than with the SA ammo, I don't have any complaints about the accuracy or reliability of my PTR, although I have only put 200-300 rounds through it so far. There's a lot of things I'd like to do it to make it better (trigger job, stock, bipod handguard, etc), but after pricing all that stuff, and the fact that it costs me about $17 to load up a magazine, I'm really starting to like this gun less and less, and that's why I'm considering switching calibers/guns.
The main purpose of this gun is a full power .30 cal "SHTF" rifle BTW.
I've done a fair amount of research on PSLs in the past, and there seems to be a lot of conflicting reports. From what I've read, they shoot anywhere from 1 MOA to 4" groups, with 2" groups being about normal. I think my PTR is suppose to shoot 1-2" groups, so the PSL is accurate enough as far as I'm concerned, especially since I'm a lousy shot anyway.
I also understand that most people claiming 2" with the PSL are using the cheap corrosive ammo. If I get a PSL, I will probably stock up on wolf ammo instead (which is more than the corrosive stuff, but still cheaper than remington/winchester/federal .308 required to work reliably in my PTR), as I'm rather lazy, and don't want to shoot corrosive ammo through a $750 gun. Also, I already know to only use light ammo in the PSL.
My main concern is reliability and safety. I know the PSL is based on the AK action, but is it as reliable as a regular AK? I've read posts in the past about firing out of battery too. Is this still a problem? Is the quality of the PSL as varied as it is between Romanian AKs, and is it common to find a lemon?
How does the PSL scope compare to the PTR hensholdt scope?
Are there any 20 round mags available for the PSL? I've only seen 10 rounders, and personally, I think any proper battle rifle should hold at least 20 rounds, although I'd give up capacity for something I could afford to shoot.
How's the ergonomics on the PSL? I was starting to warm up to the awkwardness of the PTR, but now I'm really starting to hate it.
How's the recoil of the PSL? The PTR 91 is really bad from a rest I think, and gives me a headache after very few rounds.
Basically the main reasons I'm thinking about switching guns is because of ammo cost, ergonomics, and reliability (because of the poor reliability of "affordable" ammo in the PTR). So, having said all that, and considering the fact that I could buy a new PSL and a lot of ammo if I sold my PTR/ammo, what should I do, stick with the gun I can't afford to shoot and don't like shooting when I do shoot it? Or ditch the wanna-be HK for a wanna-be commie sniper rifle?
The PSL and the PTR are the only two guns I'm interested in too. If I keep the PTR and all the SA ammo, I might eventually buy a saiga .308 too, but I'm not interested in any other guns/calibers right now.
P.S. I'd also like to post a poll between the PTR and PSL, but don't know how to.