Lobotomy Boy
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Mondocomputerman, you can define anything any way you want, but that doesn't make it so. For example, you can call a dog turd a dollar bill, but you still can't buy a cup of coffee with it.
The Thompson was a submachine gun, and a good example of why the arguments against pistol-caliber carbines don't hold water. While it wasn't ideal, and was made obsolete by the introduction of the assault rifle, it was still plenty effective as a combat weapon. There's a whole lot of dead Germans who can attest to that fact.
I have a 9mm carbine (Ruger PC9). While that wouldn't be my first choice as a combat weapon, it would do in a pinch. At the range I regularly get sub 2-inch groups at 50 yards while the .45 ACP handgun shooters are lucky to get sub 4-inch groups at 25 yards. This added accuracy helps compensate for the lack of stopping power of the 9mm round. 15 rounds in the head beat 8 rounds in the torso any day.
For close combat I'd be perfectly happy with a .45 ACP carbine, or better yet, a 10mm carbine. Yes, I'd rather have a .223, or better yet, a 6.5 or 6.8, but I'm still waiting for someone to bring a .223 to market with the right combination of reliability, size, and price. In the meantime, I plan to buy a Beretta CX-4 Storm in .45 ACP as soon as it is available this coming fall.
The Thompson was a submachine gun, and a good example of why the arguments against pistol-caliber carbines don't hold water. While it wasn't ideal, and was made obsolete by the introduction of the assault rifle, it was still plenty effective as a combat weapon. There's a whole lot of dead Germans who can attest to that fact.
I have a 9mm carbine (Ruger PC9). While that wouldn't be my first choice as a combat weapon, it would do in a pinch. At the range I regularly get sub 2-inch groups at 50 yards while the .45 ACP handgun shooters are lucky to get sub 4-inch groups at 25 yards. This added accuracy helps compensate for the lack of stopping power of the 9mm round. 15 rounds in the head beat 8 rounds in the torso any day.
For close combat I'd be perfectly happy with a .45 ACP carbine, or better yet, a 10mm carbine. Yes, I'd rather have a .223, or better yet, a 6.5 or 6.8, but I'm still waiting for someone to bring a .223 to market with the right combination of reliability, size, and price. In the meantime, I plan to buy a Beretta CX-4 Storm in .45 ACP as soon as it is available this coming fall.