Quality Old Time Battle Rifles

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my #1 truck gun is my IMI Timberwolf, but there are VERY hard to replace if stolen so what I end up using is my Styer 98 Mauser in .308/NATO x 51. While unlike the most of the choices here in this thread it costs around $180............. it still 'lives' in the truck most often.

Heck if it gets stolen the 'perp' had better know that the NATO stamp under the Styer crest means that it has been factory re-barreled to .308, otherwise he could have some intresting, it not a bit hazardous times attempting to feed it!
 
dude,

Talk to me about that timberwolf. caliber etc.

how does it shoot? any FTF?

about 9 years ago went to a Gun show, saw a timber wolf thought about and decided no.

Walking out the door I changed my mind, went back and it was gone! haven't seen one for sale since.

by the way I think the selection of any of these weapons would be good.

I personally use a winchester model 94 for my truck/car longarm. don't worry to much if it is stolen either, only have $240 in it.

Thinking of getting the stainless Marlin 336 and mounting a red dot on it. something with out batteries like an anderson occluded red dot.

You know the real poormans scout rifle.

Fred
 
The Timberwolf is THE most fun rifle I have ever shot.


I've been looking for one since stupidly not buying one while in Isreal back in 97.


Old Sacramento Armory is selling 'kits' of all new parts but missing 14 or so small springs and pins for only $180 or so. The only major part missing is the extractor. I bought one off of ebay for $30-ish and my smith used it as a pattern to make more&better ones.

The rifle shoots great and dead-on out to 100m or so. I have only sent 400 or so rounds downrange but very few of them have missed. The only trouble I've had is with aluminum cased CCI Blazer as the rifle action does not like the sharp edged rims.

I am a but shocked at power of the .357mag round from a rifle barrel. I have shoot my 6" Dan Wesson at the same targets as the rifle........... and the audible sound of the impact along with the actuall movement of whatever is being shot at (tire rims ect) of the rifle over the revolver is amazing. It seems to be twice as powerful at longer ranges.

It's my favorite rifle by far.
 
Chieftan: I've had a .357 Timberwolf for a little over ten years now. I have a couple of other .357 carbines (two Rossi '92 clones-16 1/2" & 20" bbl, and a Savage 24) but the little pump is my favorite.

Aside from its action, it has some other unique features. The butt stock is adjustable for "drop". You can set it up to fit you like a good shotgun so that when you bring it to your shoulder your eyes and the sights are perfectly aligned. You just focus on the target and squeeze - the can will dance or the rabbit will drop. Once it's set up for you, it's almost scary how quickly and easily you can hit small targets out to 50 yds.

The integral optics mount has appeal for some, as anything with Weaver-style rings will fit. Personally, I'd rather have the slicker receiver profile it'd have without it for ease of carry at the balance point and to make it possible to mount a good "peep" receiver sight. On the "plus"side, it's hell-for-rugged, you can't lose it, and it'll never come loose.

It weighs less than six pounds fully loaded with ten rounds, carry strap and swivels and is just 37 1/2" long.

With .38 Spl.s or mid-range .357 loads, it's a great small game carbine. The mild report seems to "spook" the other squirrels less than the crack of HV .22 LRs. I've never lost any game animal or varmint I've hit with it. With full .357 loads, coyotes and feral dogs out to about 80 yds. drop instantly with a solid shoulder hit. It'd do for deer with the right load at that range in a pinch, where legal.

For home defense, especially in a rural setting, it'd be a great choice with 125 gr. magnums, delivering significantly more of the "lightning bolt" effect that made that load the top stopper in police revolvers for many, many, years.

I think that IMI originally designed it for police use, and hoped to sell lots of them over here to LEAs as patrol carbines. They were a bit behind the curve, unfortunately, as the move to self-loaders as a duty sidearm was gathering momentum by the time it got here. It also had a design "flaw" which hampered it somewhat in "tactical" situations from an LEOs standpoint: the tube magazine can only be loaded with the action open. It might've been more widely considered if "tactical" reloads could've been done with the bolt in battery. For us civilians where the likelihood of a protracted firefight is slim, I don't think it's a big issue.

While I love my lever-actions, of whatever caliber, if I could have only one carbine the Timberwolf is the one I'd keep.
 
No one thought about a M-1 Carbine? I have one thats my cabin gun, and with 30 round mags, there is plenty of firepower...I bought mine for $65, and it was not that long ago....
 
The No5Mk1 Lee-Enfield is a steal...

First things first...

#5s are neat looking, but the "wandering zero" problem is real and annoying. The recoil with that short stock, brass buttplate, and .303 surplus ammo can be unpleasant, too.

The "wandering zero" perpetrates itself time and again. I agree with Swingset, Skennerton, et al. My own 1945-vintage No5Mk1 has no problem keeping it's groups where they're dialed in, regardless of shooting session. Recoil is a good deal more pronounced, especially with 174gr MkII ball ammo. One thing that is noticeable about these Jungle Carbines is that the kingscrew (action screw) in the stock loosens, which would cause zeroing problems with any rifle were it allowed to get that way. BTW, there's no brass buttplate in a true No5Mk1, it uses the cupped rubber recoil pad. Gibbs/Fibbs made ersatz carbines with leftover brass buttplates from NoIMkIII SMLE rifles, and No4Mk1 rifles. But then, Gibbs' gunsmithing skills in production of those "instant historical collectables" are legendary, right? :scrutiny:

For the price, you aren't going to see many more original No5Mk1 Jungle Carbines in circulation. The current batch came from Malaysia, once they're sold off, they will once again start climbing in price. Which is true for almost any milsurp battle rifle, and I've missed grabbing more than a few when they were cheaply available.:banghead:
 
I've shot most of those, and the best bang for the buck of that batch is the K-31. HANDS DOWN. They are very well engineered and use some of the finest ball ammo ever made for any nation. It's a little more expensive than most surplus ammo, but you're basically getting competition-grade sniper ammo. My K-31 shoots MOA, as do many others.
 
I'll second the opinion on the Swedish Mausers! They are great rifles! They are super accurate, have a mild recoil and are available for reasonable prices.

My wife and I keep wanting to sporterize one of our M-96's but we don't have the heart to do it. Guess we'll just have to wait till we pick up an M-38. In fact one of our 96's now wears a 42mm red dot sight, it looks goofy as anything but it works!

Semper Fi
 
Cheap Trunk Rifle!

For the best cheap trunk rifle I use in Oregon two types:

8mm (super cheap ammo)
#1 Yugo M48A (Century) $66.01 to my door "Good" condition Mauser.

7.62x54R (cheap new ammo at $1.95/box 20)
#1 Russian M44 in "Excellent" condition (SOG) $59.95

Both ammo and rifles are cheap, but heavy hitters. I like the Mauser better, but the M44 is a close second. The stripper-clips always work in my mausers, but not so in the Russian NM series of rifles.
 
I would go with the M-44 for a truck gun and the 91/30 for a real shooter.
I the M-44's are not known for their award winning accuracy, but they are pretty good guns. The Schmidt-Rubins are known to be among the most accurate, but ammo is expensive and not as easy to find as the 7.62x54 Russian. The Jungle carbines have some smack, but they also smack you. Good for hunting or a truck gun, but not really good for a shooter because they beat you. I would choose a full size rifle if accuracy and shootability are primary concerns. You can shoot a full size Mosin all day and not have a bruised shoulder.
To me, the Mosin-Nagant is the best, but I am also biased. An Enfield holds pretty even ground as does a Mauser, but the MN fits me best. Maybe you should add $100 and buy a Finn M-39.
They rock.
BTW- you need a C&R license to get them shipped to your door.
Check the C&R forums on the Guns Network to learn some more.
 
My truck box gun is a Yugo M48A 8mm Mauser. $139 for all matching serial #'s. Shoots great with surplus ammo. My next purchase is a Persian Mauser.

Of the ones you mentioned I'd go with the M44. I like Jungle Enfiled, but they have cracked stocks, at least the ones I saw for $160 did. The other two use "exotic" ammo. The 7.62x54 is dirt cheap.

Others listed were:

FR-8 cool gun, mine was $250, found out it had excessive headspace and sold it... Hard to find.

Israeli Mauser: (Mausers converted to 308) Most have issues e.g. bulged barrels.

One other suggestion, one that I'm contemplating, is the lowly SKS. $189 for a like new. You can get 30rd mags, but I don't know how well these work.

tjg
 
The SKS is probably not a bad choice,

But just a note on those 30rd mags. I have two, they both work great as long as you only load 15 rounds in them. I have 3 20rd mags, one works perfectly, the other 2 pretty much turn the gun into a single shot.
 
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