Main Battle Rifle Pictures

[bangswitch]

I didn't post these with my other two, because they aren't traditional battle rifle calibers. But, I do use one for CQB matches, and the other would be a good overwatch or sniper's rifle. Top, M4 in 300 BLK, bottom, AR15 in 6.5 Grendel.



These two rifles share a lower receiver.

 

[Zak Smith]

Does nobody do proper categorical definitions anymore?

Small frame AR's are not battle rifles.
M1 Carbines are not battle rifles.
SKS is not a battle rifle.
AK-47/74 not battle rifles. 7.62x39 not battle rifle cartridge.
300 BLK and 6.5 Grendel, 6 ARC, etc, are not battle rifle cartridges.

 

[Ported Marlin]

Does nobody do proper categorical definitions anymore?

Small frame AR's are not battle rifles...

The US military got confused about this in the Viet Nam War. I wish somebody would set them right.

 

[Chuck R.]

The US military got confused about this in the Viet Nam War. I wish somebody would set them right.

Not to mention the entire "cold war" to now.

Based on the normal gun forum interpretation/definition of "battle rifle" I think there's only a handful of 3rd world countries still using them.

You know, the ones that can't afford to modernize.

 

[Dave DeLaurant]

I'm a bit worried about messing it up...

BLO is forgiving stuff and smells manly!

I'll admit to mostly using faster-drying TruOil and buffing it down with steel wool afterwards. Smells good too.

 

[shuvelrider]

My M1A Scout and the STG-58 FAL I enjoy shooting

 

[Dave DeLaurant]

Based on the normal gun forum interpretation/definition of "battle rifle" I think there's only a handful of 3rd world countries still using them. You know, the ones that can't afford to modernize.

With respect, I think this depends on how you define users and uses. A semi-auto or selective fire 7.62 NATO rifle used in a DMR or sniping role remains a battle rifle from the standpoint of function and chambering. For example, I believe the SR-25/M110 and SCAR-H in current inventory with the US Army and USMC still fit this basic definition. Turkey and Brazil have recently adopted more substantial numbers of the 7.62 MPT-76 and Imbel A2 respectively. There are other recently introduced outliers like the CZ BREN 2, H&K 417 and IWI ACE 52.

Of course, the numbers in service pale compared with intermediate cartridge assault rifles. It would be fairer to say that the poors are those countries that cannot afford to fully re-equip with them.

Wikipedia's list is reasonably good: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_battle_rifles

 

[Ignition Override]

Whatever definition ----

These combat rifles all seem to have been quite effective within their various, designed effective ranges etc. The "battle" was probably over for most people hit by any of them, or did most victims continue to fight?

And all of them look soooooo cool.
We are fortunate to live in a country, well - at least in the "free states" -where it isn't a 'battle' to be able to own them.

 

[gotboostvr]

Does nobody do proper categorical definitions anymore?

Small frame AR's are not battle rifles.
M1 Carbines are not battle rifles.
SKS is not a battle rifle.
AK-47/74 not battle rifles. 7.62x39 not battle rifle cartridge.
300 BLK and 6.5 Grendel, 6 ARC, etc, are not battle rifle cartridges.

I was waiting for someone to bring that point up.

Battle Rifle-Full power cartridge(308/30-06 class), box fed, auto loading rifle.

Assult Rifle-Intermediate cartridge (7.62x39/5.56x45 class), box fed, auto loading rifle.

 

[shoobe01]

Ah... another M17s-308 out in the wild. Exciting.



It's... sorta the old Bushmaster M17s but took it full circle, is back to the pre-boringized Bushmaster. Triangular bolt, for example. Left side charging, ambi lower, etc. Plays nice with the suppressor, only my SIG 551/556 is more sedate when you pull the trigger. Oh, the trigger? Third best trigger I own. No, not "for a bullpup." Amazing. More accurate than I even wanted it to be! Sometime gotta get to a 1-8 or 1-10. Maybe one of those March LPVOs.

Don't seem to have a good shot of the FAL alone, so here's a .308 family photo instead:

 

[Zak Smith]

Besides those listed by Dave, the LMT 308 is used by the British as the L129A1, by the Estonians, and by New Zealand.

Seekins has their SP10M in .260 REM that is used by some units in US and other allies' units.

 

[Driftertank]

Does nobody do proper categorical definitions anymore?

Small frame AR's are not battle rifles.
M1 Carbines are not battle rifles.
SKS is not a battle rifle.
AK-47/74 not battle rifles. 7.62x39 not battle rifle cartridge.
300 BLK and 6.5 Grendel, 6 ARC, etc, are not battle rifle cartridges.

Sorry, but your tone made me think of this... XD

 

[Zak Smith]

On that note, it appears India is issuing the Sig 716 G2 in some capacity.

 

[NIGHTLORD40K]

Does nobody do proper categorical definitions anymore?

Small frame AR's are not battle rifles.
M1 Carbines are not battle rifles.
SKS is not a battle rifle.
AK-47/74 not battle rifles. 7.62x39 not battle rifle cartridge.
300 BLK and 6.5 Grendel, 6 ARC, etc, are not battle rifle cartridges.

The next time Im getting shot at by a guy with an AK, Ill make sure to yell at him that we can't battle because he doesn't have a proper rifle.

 

[JussRight]

shoobe01..I have never even seen that nor heard of the sweet looking bullpup .308 rifle you have in the above post!! WTH? Looks better than the KelTek RDB? Dang...might be my next purchase.

 

[MEHavey]

Based on the normal gun forum interpretation/definition of "battle rifle" I think there's only a handful of 3rd world countries still using them.

Put the sobriquet "old-fashioned" in front of "battle rifle" and one might get less argument.
But the "battle" rifle is by its very definition the standard light infantry arm - as-issued - in any era.

 

[Chuck R.]

Put the sobriquet "old-fashioned" in front of "battle rifle" and one might get less argument.
But the "battle" rifle is by its very definition the standard light infantry arm - as-issued - in any era.

Kind of the point I was jokingly trying to make.

 

[armoredman]

Just a run of the mill Century C308 Spanish CETME. Rattle can green on the furniture. Added an HK carry handle. Drilled functional cooling holes in the handguard.

Eons ago I squeezed the nickle until the Indian screamed and the buffalo pooped and bought a CETME...a Century CETME. It worked for exactly one magazine and stopped. I had the ground bolt, the whole nine yards of "modifications" to allow what once was a fine warhorse to hobble along like a bland, lame cart pony. I am very happy to see someone who got one of those abused rifles to work right I was lucky enough to find someone who took it off my hands for almost what I paid for it, but I swore off the Century Drunken Monkeys for the rest of my life.

 

[Ported Marlin]

shoobe01..I have never even seen that nor heard of the sweet looking bullpup .308 rifle you have in the above post!! WTH? Looks better than the KelTek RDB? Dang...might be my next purchase.

I was planning on buying the Kel-Tec RDB. Then I found a glowing review of the M17S.

 

[Axis II]

M1 garand is the only "battle rifle" I have at the moment but I hope to snag a M1A or an AR-10 someday.

When it comes a match or day on the range, few rifles make me happier than the one that goes PING

An M1 in a 3 gun competition? Now that is sweet!

 

[BigBlue 94]

Eons ago I squeezed the nickle until the Indian screamed and the buffalo pooped and bought a CETME...a Century CETME. It worked for exactly one magazine and stopped. I had the ground bolt, the whole nine yards of "modifications" to allow what once was a fine warhorse to hobble along like a bland, lame cart pony. I am very happy to see someone who got one of those abused rifles to work right I was lucky enough to find someone who took it off my hands for almost what I paid for it, but I swore off the Century Drunken Monkeys for the rest of my life.

Mine works flawless right out of the box. Even steel cased 308. But yes others have not had the same luck. Oddly, a Century import is one of my most trusted rifles, a 1956 Romy SKS. Though they only imported it, not assembled it.

 

[Zak Smith]

I wish somebody would set them right.

Sorry, but your tone made me think of this... XD

The next time Im getting shot at by a guy with an AK, Ill make sure to yell at him that we can't battle because he doesn't have a proper rifle.

But the "battle" rifle is by its very definition the standard light infantry arm - as-issued - in any era.

No.

Battle Rifle is a categorical term that has a specific definition. Gotboostvr posted the gist of it

It's not just a phrase used to denote a rifled arm used in battle, any more than a Golden Retriever is any gold colored dog that retrieves things.

Besides looking up the definition of a Battle Rifle, one could look at the term Assault Rifle. By your logic, these are generic terms used to describe a rifle and the operable difference would be that the former is used in battles while the latter is used in assaults. That path is nonsensical.

The fact that the world has largely moved away from Battle Rifles as general issue infantry weapons does nothing to undermine or expand the definition. One could accurately say that the definition itself was developed to distinguish between Battle Rifles and what came after them. Erasing the term in some sense makes this transition harder, or at least more awkward, to explain.

 

[shoobe01]

shoobe01..I have never even seen that nor heard of the sweet looking bullpup .308 rifle you have in the above post!! WTH? Looks better than the KelTek RDB? Dang...might be my next purchase.

Yup, I was also vaguely casting about for a 7.62 rifle and this seemed good, nice maker, no change in backlog at the height of the pandemic, etc. They only come black now. I painted mine


I think the marketing is pretty spectacularly bad, it's very unclear what it IS and calling it an M17S is stupid, but it's pretty good.
https://www.kmarms.com/M17S308.html

I know it has a bipod here, but I have also carried it slung across my front on long hikes through the brambles, day and night. It works.

I have a LONG writeup of it if any one wants. Do tell if I paste or if it needs a new thread.

 

[Corpral_Agarn]

An M1 in a 3 gun competition? Now that is sweet!

I try to get the M1 to a match at least once a year.

my last attempt:

 

[shoobe01]

Yes, the Indians got tired of waiting for their second internal attempt to make a rifle to happen, have been buying a decent number of 716s. Unlike the US, they and many countries do not single fleet, but issue different rifles to different units. These are mostly being not DMRs but actual battle rifles to units whose homes are in treeless mountains, where light infantry may be alone due to lack of roads, altitude, and to get everyone the range of the MG.

Battle rifles. Irons when issued, then many get various RDS.



They are also somehow very very proud of adding VFGs.


Or, NV/Thermals occasionally.