I have heard that on AR pistols, AK pistols, and other similar pistols you can make them more controllable by adding a single point sling or 3 point sling. I was wondering if anyone has tried to apply this to a regular pistol, just as a fun range toy similar to the NFA pistols with stocks but without the tax stamp, although it would probably work better to have the sling attach both above and below the grip instead if just above it and just go over one shoulder instead of across the body like a normal single point sling. Also if anyone has used an AR/AK pistol with a sling, how much more controllable is it?
question about slings on pistols
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Certaindeaf
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Well, if you ran out of ammo, you could probably wing it about and bolo something with it.
Prince Yamato
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It's nowhere near as good as a real stock but it's better than nothing at all.
Sam1911
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It will be nothing like a real stock and it will hurt you more than help.
Where are you going to attach this that it won't be putting pressure/torque on the gun somehow?
Think about it this way: One well known factor in "practical" handgunning is that if you bump against or rest against a barricade of some sort, you tend to have your shots land slightly off from where you'd have shot without that interference. This would be like routinely/repeatedly "bumping" a barricade (or rather, having it pull on your gun) as you work against the leash.
Practice fundamentals and you'll be able to shoot as accurately and as fast as you need to without gimmicks like this.
Where are you going to attach this that it won't be putting pressure/torque on the gun somehow?
Think about it this way: One well known factor in "practical" handgunning is that if you bump against or rest against a barricade of some sort, you tend to have your shots land slightly off from where you'd have shot without that interference. This would be like routinely/repeatedly "bumping" a barricade (or rather, having it pull on your gun) as you work against the leash.
Practice fundamentals and you'll be able to shoot as accurately and as fast as you need to without gimmicks like this.
M2 Carbine
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I never tried a sling on a "normal" handgun but I use them on such as the .223 pistols.
.223 Kel Tec PLR.
While standing at 100 yards, using a Red Dot sight, it's pretty easy, while fast firing, to dump a 30 round magazine into a silhouette, when using a sling.
For me it's harder without the sling.
.223 Kel Tec PLR.
While standing at 100 yards, using a Red Dot sight, it's pretty easy, while fast firing, to dump a 30 round magazine into a silhouette, when using a sling.
For me it's harder without the sling.
Certaindeaf
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You can use a machine pistol/subgun with a sling or not. They are about the same in actual usage, save for some fouling strap.. though you need a strap/sling. It all depends on the user.. a lot of things are essentially same same save the user.
I would also like to see a picture if you have one, as I just saw a video demonstrating with a B&T TP9 how there is less muzzle rise (almost as little as actually having a stock, it at least cuts the muzzle rise in half) and would like to see if it would affect the accuracy negatively like Sam1911 said and 100 yards would be a great distance to compare it at, although I don't think it would be that bad as he said as it looks like you were still able to keep all the rounds in a decent size group on the target.
Sam1911
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Are we talking about the "pistol rifles" like the PLR-16 pictured above, or normal sidearms as you asked about before. The possibility for slinging them, and the uses of such a sling, and the realisticly expected results of each are very different.
Inside of 25 yards or so, an acoomplished pistol shooter will dominate someone shooting one of these pistolized rifles. (I've run such tests head to head. No comparison.)
If you're talking about what happens at 100 yards
scrutiny a great deal is different.
Inside of 25 yards or so, an acoomplished pistol shooter will dominate someone shooting one of these pistolized rifles. (I've run such tests head to head. No comparison.)
If you're talking about what happens at 100 yards
scrutiny a great deal is different.Blackstone
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Could you elaborate on the different point of impact thing here? Is it to do with the rest changing the way the gun recoils or something?
Are we talking about the "pistol rifles" like the PLR-16 pictured above, or normal sidearms as you asked about before. The possibility for slinging them, and the uses of such a sling, and the realisticly expected results of each are very different.
Inside of 25 yards or so, an acoomplished pistol shooter will dominate someone shooting one of these pistolized rifles. (I've run such tests head to head. No comparison.)
If you're talking about what happens at 100 yards
I was wondering if anyone has ever tried to apply it to a normal pistol. Also I'm not sure if the tests you ran would be considered completely fair as the pistolized rifles generally have more recoil, unless you compared it to one chambered in an equivalent pistol caliber. Also I was thinking closer ranges like out to 50 yards almost all of the time, but I figured that what you said would probably be really noticeable at 100 yards and be easier to guess how much it would affect the accuracy at other closer distances than comparing targets at 25 yards.
TimboKhan
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There would be no advantage to slinging, say, a 1911.
Slinging something like a plr16 helps because you can gain a little leverage. Keep in mind, they really aren't meant to be fired from a regular shooting grip, two or one handed. You can, but they are heavy and poorly balanced for that. A sling helps immensely.
A regular pistol has no such balance issues, hence there is zero reason to do it. By zero, I mean at best there would be no difference whatsoever. Besides, where would you even attach it? Practically, there is no place you could where it wouldn't be a tremendous nuisance.
Many people get annoyed with lanyards, let alone a sling.
Slinging something like a plr16 helps because you can gain a little leverage. Keep in mind, they really aren't meant to be fired from a regular shooting grip, two or one handed. You can, but they are heavy and poorly balanced for that. A sling helps immensely.
A regular pistol has no such balance issues, hence there is zero reason to do it. By zero, I mean at best there would be no difference whatsoever. Besides, where would you even attach it? Practically, there is no place you could where it wouldn't be a tremendous nuisance.
Many people get annoyed with lanyards, let alone a sling.
M2 Carbine
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By "both" do you mean with and without the sling?
With the sling and forearm. (under 2 inch 100 yard groups over a sand bag, sling not used)
Stripped Kel Tec PLR. I like the bare bones look.
But after just a few rounds the barrel gets so hot it will burn you bad if you accidentally touch it.
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