Question for anyone who raises cattle

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Short answer, yes.
Brought to the US in mid 1800s (?)
Bred in the US to be all black, red, or white-faced. They are, as above, longer-legged and shorter-haired than their Scottish ancestors.The

Black Angus & Red Angus have Marketing Boards that push advertising to convince retail customers that the variants are "better" beef somehow. And, that Marketing has been successful. Not that a person can tell one primal from another.

Thanks for the Info. The Aberdeen Angus in the UK was bred smaller and smaller. Now they are back to the proper size again after many years of improving the breed. Pure bred Hereford and Aberdeen Angus beef, if properly hung and matured is real premium beef.
After the war when there was a push for bigger faster growing beef animals there was a lot of continental breeds used. The continental breeds are draft animals not beef animals and they tend to produce poorer quality beef .
In another life I spent many years handling bulls. If you want nasty tempered bulls the Channel Island breed bulls take some beating.
I look back now with a sense of amazement how I handled. Guernsey. Hereford, Angus, and Holstein bulls single handed. The things you do when your younger.
 
A couple of things, one is I have helped other people work “beefalo” once, by my choice. They are ok in a pasture, you put them in a pin and you better watch out. When a cow charges at you the idea is to just jump up on a fence real quick, again talking about in a catch pin. The beefalo are much faster, I was told “just drop and tuck they’ll push you with their nose and leave you alone”. Lol
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a wild cow will hurt you, bad. A beefalo is even worse, a cape beefalo would require insanity.

Also, if the benefit was enough some insane farmer would do it but another problem is the farmer likely want make much, if any extra money off of them. I know a group of farmers that looked in buying a half wagyu, half angus bull. After much research they decided the processors wouldn’t give them enough extra cash per pound to really justify the expense of the bull, even though the meat would be better and the processor would get more premium grade meat as well, they just weren’t willing (or able for some unknown to me reason) to pass the extra profit down to the actual farmers.

Another couple more problems that seem to jump out are you will either have import issues or inbreading problems, the Cape buffalo population in the US isn’t high (praise the Lord) Remember Bulls don’t last forever, if your keeping some heifers to replace older cows they can’t bread with their daddy, we change bulls every 3-5 years depending, we also share bulls with some other farmers in the area.


Another thing to consider, is the weight. I hate get to graphic but if a bull is to big, in physical size & weight. He can quiet literally break a cow down in breading act, she has to be able to hold them both up for at least a short period of time. I’d think this is a solvable problem with larger breads of cows, but I’m not sure as Cape buffalo size isn’t something I know about.

You mentioned artificial insemination, that would also solve this, and other problems. It’s certainly possible but not many people do it, it really doesn’t save you any money, at least in my experience, and it is also quiet a hassle.. you inseminate with something that has to removed a couple weeks later, then normally you still have a “clean up” bull to get the ones that didn’t take, which nearly doubles calving season. I haven’t been involved with it much, but I have figured out it’s a pain.

Another potential problem is vet care and bills, probably not a lot of vets that have much experience Cape buffalo, and the ones that do, well I doubt they come cheap.


You should know for many people their is a LOT considered when buying a bull. For instance, I Remember seeing my dad turn down a good price on a very nice looking bull once because his calves birth weight was “to high” He had a full time job and wanted smaller calves to cut down with problems in delivery, as he wasn’t able to be there most of the time.

Oh and the fences, let’s face it, they are all for looks. A cow will get out if she wants to, keep their bellies full and they’ll stay in.

I would also point out that we haven’t even talked about the meat, is it any good? Is it tough?


I’ll bring up again, farming is already one of the top 10 most dangerous jobs in the US, year after year. I personally don’t understand why people fool with beefalo, the one guy I knew that did it has quite. Cape Buffalo would just be nuts to me, but I want even keep a crazy cow. Just not worth it.

All of our first time heifers were put to a Angus bull for ease of calving. I have a vet friend who had a small herd of Dexter cattle. He did a lot of showing and a couple of months before a show I would go and tidy up their hoofs. One day my friend appeared at my house limping and said that he had been attacked and knocked of his feet by a bull calf that he was hoping to bring on and show. I laughed at him because even though this calf was weened Dexter calves aren't the biggest. So I went round to look at this killer calf. It was in a large pen so I jumped into the pen and the calf took up a stance like a Spanish fighting bull and charged me. I side stepped the calf and got out of the pen. As this calf got bigger it became more and more dangerous and when it got to a decent size it gave me great pleasure to put a bullet in its head. Danger sometimes comes in small packages.
 
All of our first time heifers were put to a Angus bull for ease of calving. I have a vet friend who had a small herd of Dexter cattle. He did a lot of showing and a couple of months before a show I would go and tidy up their hoofs. One day my friend appeared at my house limping and said that he had been attacked and knocked of his feet by a bull calf that he was hoping to bring on and show. I laughed at him because even though this calf was weened Dexter calves aren't the biggest. So I went round to look at this killer calf. It was in a large pen so I jumped into the pen and the calf took up a stance like a Spanish fighting bull and charged me. I side stepped the calf and got out of the pen. As this calf got bigger it became more and more dangerous and when it got to a decent size it gave me great pleasure to put a bullet in its head. Danger sometimes comes in small packages.

completely understand, the worst I can ever remember getting hurt by a cow was by about a 5ish day old calf. We were trying to catch him a wide open pasture to tag him and his head hit me in the center of my chest at a full run, I couldn’t breath for what seemed like an eternity and it hurt to breath for about a week.
Normally we tag them about day 2 maybe 3, then you can pretty much walk up to them and pop a tag in no problem.

although I didn’t know the guy someone in our county was killed by a cow not to long ago. He was apparently trying to load a cow on a trailer and she came back down the chute and he got in front of her to stop her. Unfortunately she kept going and crushed him between her and side of the chute when she went by. He died some days later, I understand they just couldn’t stop all the internal bleeding.

People don’t understand how dangerous they can be, even the nice ones. They’re just so powerful, no way I keep a mean or crazy one.

My dad had a Charolais bull when I was a kid I could literally grab hide and ear to pull myself up on him and ride him around the pasture, looking back he could have killed me anytime he got ready.
 
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I've been lucky (so far) with the cows. Several times I could have been injured or killed by them but happened to be able to move in time. I never make one into a pet. If one shows signs of being "friendly", I establish quickly that I am the herd bull. I carry a pole or cattle prod at all times when working them and poke them or shock them if they get in range. This seems to keep them honest but a few cows(never a bull) just seem to be born mean. I take those to the sale as soon as I can.

The worst I was ever hurt by livestock, other than horses, was when I tried to catch a ewe and she butted me in the face. That got me a bloody nose, torn tongue and my lower lip in 2 pieces.
 
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