Actually, what we are talking about is that some people have reported "sporter" configuration 5.45 saigas accepting and functioning with standard 5.45x39 AK magazines. That is the work with standard mags without the mag catch being filed or a bullet guide being installed. I have read reports of them being that way and reports of them requiring either or both of those mods.
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Actually, what we are talking about is that some people have reported "sporter" configuration 5.45 saigas accepting and functioning with standard 5.45x39 AK magazines. That is the work with standard mags without the mag catch being filed or a bullet guide being installed. I have read reports of them being that way and reports of them requiring either or both of those mods.
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Yes, yes I do need them. I'm somewhat in agreement with you about using your rifle to hit objects as opposed to making noises but every now and then that's fun. Expensive fun.
More importantly I need my 30 rounds because I want to shoot 30 rounds at something or 30 somethings with out having to stop the aim/shoot sequence.
berettaprofessor
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Got it now Girodin. At least I hope I understand it now. And I am slightly relieved that I can have the magazine in the same house with the rifle, I just can't shoot them together
That Tapco reference you sent me to, BTW, lists the Saiga as having 17 foreign parts....
Somewhere, I get the feeling that whatever bureaucrat wrote 922R, that individual must spend a lot of time laughing at the rest of us trying to stay legal. It is probably a conspiracy; if we're worrying over the wording and number of parts to try to fit this mess, the original writer probably figured we'd spend less time chopping off shotgun barrels or switching out sears.
Rob G
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Another thing to point out about the 30 rounders is that some folks, like me, prefer to use a magazine hold when shooting an AK style rifle. It's easier to do that with a 20 or 30 round magazine than it is with the 10s.
The tapco thing is wrong. I read through it a second time and Girodin is right in saying 14 or 15 parts. Tapco lists a pistol grip and a muzzle brake as parts on the Saiga. Factory Saigas do not have either of those so 15 is a more accurate number. And as Girodin said the seer possibly does not count as a separate part so the count could actually be 14.
Personally I've just always assumed that they're an idiot myself.
Rob G
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They get you close but not quite there. You'd still have to replace at least one more part and depending on the BATFE's ruling on the presence of a sear, possibly two. If it were me I'd just do two to be safe.
Me too. It is still pretty easy to be compliant with US mags and the sporter conversion (although unless state rules required it, I would never leave the gun in sporter configuration). Either go with the two FCG parts from dinzag or do the piston and the hand guard.
SSN Vet
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I'll bet you think they still teach people how to read in public schools. the #1 reason to convert a Saiga (imho) is to get rid of the clunky, creapy trigger transfer bar and clean up the trigger with a Tapco G2 fire control set.
the #2 reason to convert a Saiga is to move the hand doing the trigger work 3" forward (and closer to the COG) so the rifle isn't so darn muzzle heavy.
#3.... hi caps (if you feel you need them)
amd6547
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Yes, that is a popular opinion. However, I already have a standard format Kalashnikov. I have found that with proper lube, and use, the standard Saiga trigger is not nearly as bad as it is made out to be.
meanmrmustard
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Agreed. It's not too terribly difficult to be accurate with the stock setup. The G2 is sweet, however. You have the crap stock trigger, not-as-bad unsegmented trigger, and the G2 being above and beyond those.
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To shoot US made high-capacity magazines (>10 round) in an unconverted Saiga, one (non-magazine) factory part must be replaced by a US made part. This could be the buttstock, gas piston, forearm, trigger, disconnector or any of several other parts listed as 'imported' by ATF. See the 922r screen on dinzagarms.com for the list.
This is because an unconverted Saiga rifle is regarded as having 14 imported parts (from the list) and this count must be reduced to 10 by substitution for the high-cap. mag to be legal. Fortunately, the US made magazine counts as 3 parts (mag. body, follower, floorplate) so only one more is needed.
The easiest by far to obtain and replace is the forearm. Several US made forearms are available that add rails. These are fairly inexpensive and can be changed out in a few minutes.
Here in blue-state NY, 10 rounds is the limit regardless, so I have no experience with anything larger. 10 round Surefires have always worked fine for me.
Mr. Mustard is right; this whole thing is nuts.
This is because an unconverted Saiga rifle is regarded as having 14 imported parts (from the list) and this count must be reduced to 10 by substitution for the high-cap. mag to be legal. Fortunately, the US made magazine counts as 3 parts (mag. body, follower, floorplate) so only one more is needed.
The easiest by far to obtain and replace is the forearm. Several US made forearms are available that add rails. These are fairly inexpensive and can be changed out in a few minutes.
Here in blue-state NY, 10 rounds is the limit regardless, so I have no experience with anything larger. 10 round Surefires have always worked fine for me.
Mr. Mustard is right; this whole thing is nuts.
the count
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Hahahaa.. Whoever thought up these 922 rules must have been smoking way too long.
meanmrmustard
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True that, yo. But, follow the laws, and adhere to the rules. As much as Girodin and I don't agree all the time, he has good links for keeping stuff legal. When I do what I want, when I want, how I want, I'm taking a chance. Don't be like me. I agree, these rules are stupid, very not well thought out, and ridiculously inane. But, they are the rules.
I thank you for thinking I'm right, even when I'm wrong. You dudes are great. But, seriously, don't break the law!
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