Question for SUB 2000 shooters

[Hokkmike]

Took my SUB2000 for its first range trial. Fired reliably with no problems. A wee bit more recoil than expected (I expected none).

The only difficulty is with using the iron sights provided. You have to, I'm going to use te word "scrunch", your head down, down, down, to get a sight picture showing the top of the front post in the center of the front ring. It is a little uncomfortable. Is there any remedy for this?

Ultimately, I will probably go to a red dot even thought that precludes folding this cool little rifle into its tucked carry position.

Your thoughts ???

 

[Odd Job]

I don't own an S2000 but I rented one several times in the US. You have to use really low profile muffs, which might not be ideal. I wouldn't like to lose the folding ability of the gun, so I would probably get some kind of aftermarket red dot sight like this:

MCarbo Optic Mount for the Sub2000

Here is my review of the long-awaited MCarbo optic mount for the Kel-Tec Sub2000.

www.youtube.com

 

[someguy2800]

I have the same problem. MCarbo sells a taller aftermarket sight.

KEL-TEC SUB-2000 Rear Tactical Folding Sights

Combat-Ready KEL-TEC SUB-2000 Rear Tactical Folding Sights for Gen 2 and Gen 1. Get the Peep or Notch Rear Sight Upgrades for your KEL TEC SUB-2000!

www.mcarbo.com

Blowback 9mm's have a surprising amount of recoil because of the bolt slamming into the back of the receiver. A delayed blowback 9mm has very little recoil.

 

[LiveLife]

SUB2000 ... first range trial ... bit more recoil than expected (I expected none).

Blowback 9mm's have a surprising amount of recoil because of the bolt slamming into the back of the receiver. A delayed blowback 9mm has very little recoil.

Yes, blowback action PCC must have sufficient recoil spring force and heavy enough mass of buffer weight to hold bolt against the chamber and keep it there (dwell time) for sufficient powder burn and allow bullet to exit the barrel before moving back for recoil so recoil is going to be more than none.

 

[Mosin Bubba]

MCarbo's got you covered with the two fixes above. They also sell a heavier charging handle that will slow the bolt down. Takes some of the bite out of the recoil.

They are just a really cool cottage industry for the Sub 2K, hard to recommend them enough.

 

[hso]

An alternative -

MidWest vs MCarbo Sub-2000 Red Dot Mounts

Find this video on my Rumble channel for links to these mounts since YouTube will get frowny if I put those links here.Rumble: https://rumble.com/c/c-2352852...

youtu.be

 

[Hillbilly Hydrographics]

Mcarbo mcarbo mcarbo. There a veteran owned and ran american company and a great bunch to do business with. And theres several companies that make some aftermarket goodies for the sub2k midwest has an optic mount redlion makes a forend that turns to allow the gun to still fold but by far mcarbo is the best when it comes to upgrading everything for the sub2k. Ive been doin business with them since they started makin sub2k upgraded parts and know several of the guys who helped them develop and test there flip down optic mount. All the internals and several more parts on my sub2k are mcarbo parts and they make a fun range toy into a functional realistic option for self defense, competition, shtf or whatever is needed of it. There stainless feedramp and trigger bundle are essential upgrades for the sub2k in my opinion. I will say if you plan on just throwing a sight on the pic rail of the sub its best to run a flat file along the rail to get rid of the slight hump in center due to it being two plastic halves. Atleast on mine when i got it i noticed the sights i tryed would cant very slighty left or right and it was because the 2 halves made a raised center of the rail.

 

[Ks5shooter]

I did the math.If I bought a Sub2000 to get it the way I would want it would almost cost as much as the rifle with the rebate right now.Still thinkin on it but dont know if Im gonna pull the trigger on one.Exploring options.

 

[someguy2800]

I would get the mcarbo rear sight for mine, but from what I understand it will not flip up automatically with their’s. I think I will just design and make my own.

 

[Hokkmike]

I would get the mcarbo rear sight for mine, but from what I understand it will not flip up automatically with their’s. I think I will just design and make my own.

Let me know if you do!

 

[SwampWolf]

I did the math.If I bought a Sub2000 to get it the way I would want it would almost cost as much as the rifle with the rebate right now.Still thinkin on it but dont know if Im gonna pull the trigger on one.Exploring options.

Same here. One thing's for sure; if you need a sight that prevents the rifle from folding I'd have no need for it (as if I really have a need for it in the first place ).

 

[LoonWulf]

I modified mine to be about 1/8" higher.
https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/random-rifle-stuff.920247/ has some info

 

[ECVMatt]

Sub 2000 Review and Upgrades

Here is an old thread of mine that kind of walks through the process I took to get my S2K where I wanted it to be. Towards the bottom, I have a comparison of the factory sight vs. the MCarbo sight. It is a definite improvement.

Overall the S2K is a great little rifle. From the factory mine was accurate, reliable and compact. With the MCarbo upgrades is becomes a much better rifle.

Hope this helps,

Matt

 

[someguy2800]

Let me know if you do!

That was easy. Getting quotes to have them machined from aluminum

 

[LoonWulf]

That was easy. Getting quotes to have them machined from aluminum

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Nice! I want one!

 

[someguy2800]

Nice! I want one!

I made it 1/4” taller than stock so it’s a comfortable height for me but will likely also require a taller front sight post. I’ll experiment with that tomorrow

 

[LoonWulf]

I made it 1/4” taller than stock so it’s a comfortable height for me but will likely also require a taller front sight post. I’ll experiment with that tomorrow

Thats about what mine ended up at, had to enlarge the hole in the handguard and slot the front sight to go higher. Mine is 1st gen

 

[halfmoonclip]

"Scrunch" is putting it mildly. Yes, the MCarbo stuff helps, the sights and heavier bolt handle especially.
They are nifty little carbines; their short length/complete safety when folded are a real plus.
I hated to goober mine up with an optic; the utter simplicity appealed to me, and I've other 9mm carbines.
Had two of these; finally sold them off. If I were shopping for such now, I'd have a look at the new Smith folding carbine.
Moon

 

[Alex Clayton]

Took my SUB2000 for its first range trial. Fired reliably with no problems. A wee bit more recoil than expected (I expected none).

The only difficulty is with using the iron sights provided. You have to, I'm going to use te word "scrunch", your head down, down, down, to get a sight picture showing the top of the front post in the center of the front ring. It is a little uncomfortable. Is there any remedy for this?

Ultimately, I will probably go to a red dot even thought that precludes folding this cool little rifle into its tucked carry position.

Your thoughts ???

Not long after these hit I bought 2, .40 and 9mm. The 9 was going to be for the Wife. Turns out recoil was too much for her. Then I found out what the 9 is capable of with good ammo and I looked at it in a new light. Re homed the .40 after years. It was nice but after a few hundred rounds I always felt like I had been kicked in the shoulder next day. I did years ago try some ways to mount an optic and finally just gave up. The damn thing is hard to get a good cheek weld but, they are do damn short and light that I don't care. Mine has spent a lot of time in a laptop case, with the laptop in there too. No one gives it a second glance. Yet if SHTF its there. I did put a light under it for night use. They are so damn easy to maneuver they are damn near as easy to clear with as a hand gun. If I ever manage to wear out the one I have I will be buying a Gen II

 

[WVGunman]

MCarbo's got you covered with the two fixes above. They also sell a heavier charging handle that will slow the bolt down. Takes some of the bite out of the recoil.

They are just a really cool cottage industry for the Sub 2K, hard to recommend them enough.

Ditto this. The MCARBO recoil buffer (like a gummy that goes inside the action behind the bolt) and the extra-weight bolt handle totally changed the experience of shooting this gun. I wouldn't do without either one.

 

[Speedo66]

Tacticool products also has a buffer for the S2K, it’s marginally less expensive than the Mcarbo, but it does feature free shipping and a lifetime guarantee.

Also, the Mcarbo buffer is listed for Gen 2 only.

Tacticool Products - SUB-2000 Buffer Cylinder

Kel-Tec Accessories SUB-2000 PLR-16 Recoil Reduction Buffer Cylinder Gun Firearm Weapon Shooting Guns Firearms Weapons

www.tacticoolproducts.com

 

[Hillbilly Hydrographics]

I made it 1/4” taller than stock so it’s a comfortable height for me but will likely also require a taller front sight post. I’ll experiment with that tomorrow

The sub2k will take any ar15 front sight post.

 

[someguy2800]

The sub2k will take any ar15 front sight post.

Yes but I can't find one tall enough. The tallest I have been able to find is only .060" taller than the original. I drew one this morning I could get made but this is getting more involved than I really want to be in a gun I honesty don't really like that much.

If you are reading this and you own a swiss lathe, send me a PM

 

[Alex Clayton]

Tacticool products also has a buffer for the S2K, it’s marginally less expensive than the Mcarbo, but it does feature free shipping and a lifetime guarantee.

Also, the Mcarbo buffer is listed for Gen 2 only.

Tacticool Products - SUB-2000 Buffer Cylinder

Kel-Tec Accessories SUB-2000 PLR-16 Recoil Reduction Buffer Cylinder Gun Firearm Weapon Shooting Guns Firearms Weapons

www.tacticoolproducts.com

That is the one I bought for my Gen1. It did seem to make the thing not hit quite so hard. It was kind of hard to get the bolt to lock back at first after install. After a lot of shooting though it was back to normal. I got the pad for the tube from them too which also helped a lot. Not having the bare metal against my cheek.

 

[Hokkmike]

"Scrunch" is putting it mildly. Yes, the MCarbo stuff helps, the sights and heavier bolt handle especially.
They are nifty little carbines; their short length/complete safety when folded are a real plus.
I hated to goober mine up with an optic; the utter simplicity appealed to me, and I've other 9mm carbines.
Had two of these; finally sold them off. If I were shopping for such now, I'd have a look at the new Smith folding carbine.
Moon

Compared the Ruger before buying the SUB. Didn't know about the S&W... It looks like a nice gun. I had been searching for a gun that used ubiquitous ammo, was small and compact, semi automatic, larg(er) magazines, and was reliable & accurate. The 2000 seems to answer all those questions with a yes. I think it has a cool tactical look but everybody's tastes are different. Ugly to me is a lever action with a scope - but, it is another man's dream date. I'm not interfering...