Question for veterans: weapons skills of allied troops?

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I always enjoy hearing stories about the military experiences of our veterans because it is such a world apart from my own experiences. I’d like to ask the vets here something I’m curious about: in your experiences, how are the weapon skills and general ‘combat abilities’ of the foreign allied troops you’ve served alongside?

For example, in real life I’ve heard stories about the fearsome close-combat abilities of ROK marines in Vietnam, from vets who served in that war. These same vets had a disparaging view of ARVN troops, saying that they fought only reluctantly and were poor shots. I love military and weapons-related history so I find firsthand accounts like this fascinating.

Experiences from any era and any war are welcome here!
 
I read half your post and had to go to the bathroom. I thought about the ROK troops I had heard about from a buddy. Came back and read the rest. From what I have heard, they are still very hardcore. I'm not going into war stories, rather, I'll recount my experiences under less stressful scenarios.

Personally, I knew some British scouts. Armor scouts, like our Cav units. They were some hardcore guys, in the field and out. Six of us went to Canada, and ran into six of them. We formed an impromptu super-squad of beer inhaling war athletes. When some dummy came in and messed with one of our guys, then followed him into the bathroom with bad intentions, those guys jumped up and had his back before I could get up. Thanks to them, no fight occured. These guys were infantry, and so were we, and that brotherhood extends to our allies, we learned that. From what I could tell, their violence of action, athletic prowess, and their military bearing were so close to our own, the only real difference was they had round dog tags, spoke with an accent, and hated their rifles (the L96 bullpup or whatever --they hated the French weapon even more!). They wanted their FAL's back.

Later that looooong weekend in Canada, some guy threw his girlfriend through a plate glass window. It cut her up pretty bad. He tried to finish her off, but we stepped in. Again those guys shined. Long story short, we patched her up, called the cops, and I cornered the guy. No Canadian citizen would help or even call the cops. It fell upon us. We almost got the Soldier's Medal for that. Those Brits were some good guys to have around, and we all just clicked. I'd like to have had them in my unit.

Canadian snipers are bar none. Those boys can shoot! I'd rather go up against any average American sniper than an average Canadian one. I think those boys spend more time at the range than do our own. Maybe I only got to see the good ones, I don't know, but every one of them could shoot.

I've met others and heard other stories, but not worth mentioning really. I did train with a brigade of Japanese soldiers in Yakima once, they were very well disciplined. They look more laid back than they did in WWII footage I've seen, but not by much. They could take a lot of ribbing too, and we sure dished it out.

Iraqi soldiers suck. Period. For some reason, most of them are almost untrainable. I don't get it. If we are waiting for them to stand up and secure their own country, we are going to be waiting a long time. They have no discipline, they won't show up on time (or ever, flip a coin) won't shoot back, don't have your back, help the enemy, etc. The Iraqi school age children are more reliable.

It all basically boils down to this from what I can tell. There are infantry soldiers and there are other soldiers. In the West, the infantry guys are very similar, more alike than not. Perhaps that is why I could always click with those guys, but not my own Coast Guard cousin that lives a few miles away. Now him, HE'S a foreigner! Go figure.
 
I think strykervet has kind of summed it up.
I'm ex inf, then went comms and now I fix weapons.
One thing i noticed amongst the comms side of life and 'corps' side of life is a lack of camaraderie that when I got attached to another Infantry battalion as an armourer was instantly back again, as soon as they knew I had done the same training and job as them, I was accepted as 'worthy'.

I have worked alongside US Infantry, MP's (iraq x3)and some civ affairs types in Bosnia (protectionteam), aside from the usual banter (Soldiers, Not arrogant, just better) I found us to be all pretty similar in Ethos and attitude, and to be fair the same could be said for the Canadians, Germans and even the French I have worked alongside.

I think any Volunteer type Army will have the same kind of guys, We all want to serve our country.

And dont get me started on the Iraqi Army & police, jeez they scare me, and for all the wrong reasons!
 
I can vouche for the comment about Iraqi soldiers. We(MP combat support) trained with some at Ft. Polk. Bunch of arrogant, undisciplined, unappreciative, disrespectfull pieces of trash. While playing soccer with a group of them, one of them deliberately kicked one of our guys and broke his leg. No apology, he said our guy got in his way. Didn't seem sorry at all.

Trying to train them for road march/patrols was a futile effort. They'd bunch together, not pay attention to their surroundings, lollygagging, talking/joking, kicking rocks etc..

Crossing paths with them, you'd be lucky to get more than an arrogant, spiteful snarl. To Hell with them.

Have talked with some Canadians, Polish, British and Germans and they were all alright. Well trained, well disciplined, good attitudes, good behavior, strong but not arrogant National pride.
 
Have trained with German, British and ROK Soldiers back in the 70s.
Germans, Well trained, disciplined.
British, well trained, disciplined, tough.
ROK................ don't <removed> with them.
I was very glad they were all on our side.
 
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