Question on semi wad cutter for .44 Magnum

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Just purchased some 240 gr. semi wad cutters from Falcon bullets for my Super Blackhawk. I have been reloading a while but this is my first attempt with a semi wad cutter. My Buddy and best friend has reloaded these but Im sad to say he passed away two weeks ago, cancer, or he could of told me. Do I need any special seating die? Im using a single stage Lee press. It seems his were loaded under the top ring, but Im not that sure. I dont really see a crimp ring has a blue lube ring with a beveled base. Thanks for any advice.
 
Sounds like a common design for commercial casters. Their website pictires show a crimp groove.
 
Sounds like a common design for commercial casters. Their website pictires show a crimp groove.
Yep, roll crimp into the crimp groove and that will be the correct OAL. Then pick a load to start with. I used to shoot those with Blue Dot in .44 Special and .44 Mag cases. Now I would use BE-86 for a good midrange load in .44 Mag, and either AA#9 or N-110 for full power.

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Nothing special, I use a standard Lee 44 seating die for those projectiles.

Yep, used my standard RCBS SWC seater stem to seat these.
 
Thanks a bunch.Any advice for Unique and 2400 powder? I have three diffferent maunuals but am confused as the projectiles shown dont look exactly like mine. Have a call out to alliant waiting to hear back. While Im here, what exactly is an Elmer Keith style bullet? I know he was a pioneer in shooting etc: but thats about it. Thx again all
 
Do I need any special seating die? Im using a single stage Lee press.

I've never used a commercial SWC bullet for .44 magnum, but I cast the Lyman 429421 which is a classic Keith style design.
I use a Lee seating die and have no trouble whatsoever.
You'll be fine with that.

While Im here, what exactly is an Elmer Keith style bullet?

Here is a description on Wikipedia and it seems accurate.
"Keith style" is a generic term these days for any bullet remotely shaped like the original, and that's fine I guess. I believe his original had a longer nose than most of the ones you see today, but the spirit of the design is there.


Keith-style bullets
Keith was also responsible for a number of bullet designs still popular today, and collectively called "Keith style" bullets. These bullets were based on the semiwadcutter (SWC) design, but using a wider than normal front surface, and convex sides. These changes increased the volume of the bullet outside the case, thus allowing more room inside the case, needed for large loads of slower burning powders (see internal ballistics). These bullets remain popular for both target shooting and hunting. When shooting paper targets, they cut a relatively clean hole in the target, yet provide more case volume and a better ballistic coefficient than a flat front wadcutter. When used for hunting, the heavy bullets provide excellent penetration; they are often used on dangerous game, for which more reliable penetration is required than is possible with expanding hollow point or soft point bullets.
Keith-Style SWC
Originally Keith specified a meplat that was 65% of the bullet caliber, but later increased it to a 70% meplat. The other distinguishing characteristics of a "Keith-style" SWC are a double radius ogive, beveled crimp groove, three equal width driving bands, wide square bottomed grease groove, and a plain base with sharp corners. The wide forward driving band helps keep the bullet aligned as it jumps across the cylinder gap. Because of the three wide equal width driving bands, the total bearing surface is half the length of the bullet. The relatively large bearing surface helps the Keith-style SWC to be an inherently accurate bullet, and minimizes pressure leakage due to projectile blow-by. [6] The wide square bottom grease groove holds ample lubricant.[7]
 
Thx tons guys. Talked to Alliant guy he said5.8 to 6.5 Unique and 11.2 to 12. 5 2400 powder. I negleted to say just looking for something pleasant to shoot targets beer cans etc; with.
 
Thx tons guys. Talked to Alliant guy he said5.8 to 6.5 Unique and 11.2 to 12. 5 2400 powder. I negleted to say just looking for something pleasant to shoot targets beer cans etc; with.

In a magnum case? 5.8-6.5 of UNQ will be a very light shooting round. I've had mine up over 11 grains of Unique in a mag case. I'll say watch out for possible leading depending on the projectile hardness. I have some 240g Missouri bullets that are 12 hardness and they're A-ok. I later bought some of their 18 hardness 44 projectiles and they've given me nothing but trouble with the leading.
 
Thanks all.I talked to a guy who actually makes, distributes cast bullets in my town he said 8.5 to 12.0 of Unique.
Hardness of these I bought are 17
 
I shoot 240gr cast 44mag with 10.0 gr Unique.

6.5 seems awfully low and would probably be very dirty due to excessively low pressure.

5.8 would probably be a "ploop" load that you could watch the bullet fly to the target.
 
Sounds like the Alliant guy gave you .44 Special data.

With a BHN of 17, low pressure low velocity loads may cause issues.
No big deal, just keep an eye out for leading.

A lot of people don't realize it but when you're talking about revolvers, bullets that are too hard cause leading easier than bullets that are too soft.
I use pure clip on wheel weight alloy for full throttle .44 magnum and "Ruger only" .45 Colt stuff with no issues at all.

Nothing to worry about, just something to watch.
 
Sounds like the Alliant guy gave you .44 Special data.

With a BHN of 17, low pressure low velocity loads may cause issues.
No big deal, just keep an eye out for leading.

A lot of people don't realize it but when you're talking about revolvers, bullets that are too hard cause leading easier than bullets that are too soft.
I use pure clip on wheel weight alloy for full throttle .44 magnum and "Ruger only" .45 Colt stuff with no issues at all.

Nothing to worry about, just something to watch.

I messed with those 18 hardness projectiles for months. Took them from 1000 fps loads all the way up to 1600 fps smokers. Unique, Accurate No7, H110, 2400, Trailboss, doesn't matter...all lead. The only difference is where in the barrel and how much leading they do. On top of that, I'm talking Hi-Tek coated ones as well. Finally, I gave up on them. I have 271 of them sitting in a box if anyone is interested. $25.
 
I messed with those 18 hardness projectiles for months. Took them from 1000 fps loads all the way up to 1600 fps smokers. Unique, Accurate No7, H110, 2400, Trailboss, doesn't matter...all lead.

Too hard of a bullet will definitely do that.
If they were doing it at 1,600 fps, that makes me think you have an issue with the size compared to your bore size or cylinder throat size.

But, if you figured it out and softer bullets are working, I guess it doesn't matter. Don't fix what aint broke.
 
Think Ill try and start out at 9 or 10 grains of Unique.Sound about right to you folks?
In magnum cartridges, that should be a nice load. I shoot 7.5gr Unique in a magnum cartridge under a 240gr coated SWC for plinking. Very comfortable. 9-10 will be considerably more recoil.
 
I messed with those 18 hardness projectiles for months. Took them from 1000 fps loads all the way up to 1600 fps smokers. Unique, Accurate No7, H110, 2400, Trailboss, doesn't matter...all lead. The only difference is where in the barrel and how much leading they do. On top of that, I'm talking Hi-Tek coated ones as well. Finally, I gave up on them. I have 271 of them sitting in a box if anyone is interested. $25.

PM Sent.
 
8 grains of Unique is a good place to start if you’re looking for something pleasant to shoot cans with. You may find that 8 will suffice.

For years 8 grains of Unique under a 250 grain .45 Colt SWC has been my ‘plinking’ round.
 
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