Questionable Family Hunting Traditions?

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hi, my new girlfriends father and brothers all hunt the evening before opening day, both bow and rifle season.

2 of my uncles start hunting deer sept.16 in NY.

i always wait until opening day.

i never go out with these people to hunt, but was wondering if any fellow THR members have family that do things like this and justify saying that there fathers did it and it tradition.

i cant be the only one.
 
i know its poaching and illegal. on that note though... does anyone have family/friends that hunt legally ( licenses, season dates) but only use one hunting implement during all 3 seasons. ie: they use a rifle for bow-rifle-muzzle loader seasons.

just curious.
 
No one in my family that I know of poaches deer. Or illeagally hunts them out of season, like using a rifle during bow season. We are blessed with being an accurate enough shot with said methods thus have no reason to cheat.
 
My dad and grand dad were sticklers for following game laws to the letter. They passed that ethic down to me and I passed it along to my daughters. As my dad said; "The game warden is NOT your friend. Don't give him any reason to get to know YOU!".
 
I know people who use archery during all seasons, but that's legal where they are.

Myself, I may or may not agree with all of the regulations, but I don't need to risk paying fines or losing my equipment or hunting rights or going to jail just because I don't think the regs are right.

Much better to get involved and get things changed legally than to flaunt the law and get punished for it.
 
i cant say i agree with the laws, but i do follow them. i hoped i wasn't the only one who had friends and family that do go against the grain so to speak.

i do have an old friend of mine ( hes 96 ) and an old farmer who used to hunt deer all year as a kid to feed his family. they had the typical farm family 7+kids and farmhands and relatives that lived with them. so they used the deer to feed the family. i have no problem with that ethically but i dont see there being a need for such behavior at the moment since there are other options available.

hows the highroad crowd weigh in on this?
 
i cant be the only one.
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Nope you are not.

I have family members that have had a hard time following the hunting regs and laws. I've worked at them to get them to stop the nonsense and they've come around. It was truly idiotic IMO. They would put together plans to shoot the wrong animal and smuggle it out of the woods, how to lie to the warden, party hunting, etc. I couldn't stand it and never wanted to hunt with them at all. Eventually they began to see that the stakes of getting caught were more important than the odds.
 
My dad as a youngster engaged in poaching with his cousins and grandpa. Always does for the freezer.

He instilled in me the importance of ethics, and the ramifications of getting caught.
 
My dad as a youngster engaged in poaching with his cousins and grandpa. Always does for the freezer.

He instilled in me the importance of ethics, and the ramifications of getting caught.
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Huh??
 
One law that peeves me is not being able to use any optic on my muzzle loader, being far sighted I have a harder time with iron sights than others. However I still use the iron sights, and have written several letters to my state representitives on the subject. But unless the law changes, I will have to wear my glasses afield durign ML season.
 
Poaching as a tradition? Wow...what dirtballs. What else do they do for fun, beat their wives? If they consider poaching deer outta season, and the use of illegal tactics and weapons as normal, I assume they have the same disregard for personal property and trespassing. I wouldn't even want them over to my house for supper for fear they'd rob me blind. Butcherboy....you need to stay far away from these people. You need to keep your kids and any other impressionable folks far from these idiots. They are criminals......pure and simple.
 
they guy who owns property next to us shoots turkey year round. there are no shortage of turkey there,they are every where around our property. I dont mind, its his land he can do what he wants.

Id even probably do the same if I lived on my property like he does, but for me its a cross 3 state drive.
 
Difference between a real need and just for some sneaky fun. Law does not always weigh the needs of the one against the rules of the many.

I have never poached but have never needed a game animal to feed my family due to economical considerations.

If you were hungry and that was the only option then your opinion might change about right and wrong. Seems like there was a rumor of Robin Hood and others poaching dear on the King's land....Did not turn out very well for all parties concerned.....Do not think this is the reason for several misdeeds in this post.
 
they use a rifle for bow-rifle-muzzle loader seasons.
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Where i lived, that will get your vehicle confiscated, your weapons confiscated, a lifetime ban on hunting for all involved, loss of game already taken, a fine and prison time (not jail, prison)

Personally, I don't think that is harsh enough - the poacher should be hung

If you were hungry and that was the only option then your opinion might change about right and wrong.
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Oh BS - there are more government handouts these days than ever before - if you are that damn lazy to go to the welfare office, then starve
 
i lease some land from a guy that owns millions and millions of dollars in land. He told me it is his land and he will hunt what he wants when he wants. The first time I was on the land I watched a neighbor poach a deer with a shotgun on a four wheeler during archery season. I caught a guy walking around with a dog and a rifle during bow season and he said he was hunting coyotes and got lost. Needless to say I was surrounded by poachers and figured the whole damn county was full of poachers and I still do OK hunting that 80 acres every year. I think poaching is more common than we think. Me personally I have no interest in shooting anything out of season. I dont even want to shoot a deer after it is dark.
 
RE "hungry family", "my land my right", etc...

The OP stated those folks hunted precisely one day before open season. This is clearly to get a leg up on everyone else regardless of the law.
 
Are you sure they are engauged in Hunting and not camping out the day beforethe start of the Season?

Happens alot.......and is quite legal.......
 
My granddad told me he used to poach deer on occasion with some young men during the depression to help feed the neighborhood.

Other than that, nope, I've never heard of anyone in my family doing anything illegal, nor have I witnessed anything myself. I would say that the guys in my family that hunt or fish are pretty zealous in ensuring they follow regulations, and that others with them, or just near them do the same.
 
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Where i lived, that will get your vehicle confiscated, your weapons confiscated, a lifetime ban on hunting for all involved, loss of game already taken, a fine and prison time (not jail, prison)
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Problem is these same folks don't lose their hunting rights....not in their eyes. They just lose the right to hunt legally. And since violatin' is part of who they are, and seasons and bag limits mean nuttin' to them, not bein' able to buy a license just saves them beer money.




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Oh BS - there are more government handouts these days than ever before - if you are that damn lazy to go to the welfare office, then starve
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Oh, but it's their PRIDE. They're too damn proud to take a legal and legitimate helping hand and accept free food that may actually be nutritious to their hungry family. It's much more respectable and manly to go kill something illegally. If one can trespass on the neighbors land while doin' it, so much for the better.

Every criminal has an excuse. Very seldom is it a matter of life and death. In most cases the crime, whether it's hunting related or not, is a matter of convenience for someone too lazy to obtain it the right way.
 
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