Questions regarding Glock G19 regarding trigger pull weight and sights

[SnubbyMan]

I don't have a Glock in my collection. I want to add one. I'm pretty sure I want the G19.

I mostly shoot S&W revolvers in double-action mode. I don't have a trigger pull weight scale, but it is my understanding in DA mode, the trigger pull is often around 12-14 pounds for an untuned revolver.

I would like to start off with a slightly heavier trigger pull on my new Glock--especially as I get acquainted with it. My understanding is that the "approved" combinations for a heavier pull would be the standard 5 pound connector with either the NY1 or NY2 trigger springs. The 8 pound connector from what I have read is not to be used with the NY triggers. So the NY1 would yield an approximate 8 pound trigger pull weight, while the NY2 would yield an approximate 12 pound trigger pull weight.

So, if I shoot comfortably with the 12-14 pound DA trigger pull weight of S&W revolvers, should I be starting with the NY2 spring? It seems like very few people use the NY2 spring unless they're forced to. Is it really that difficult to shoot accurately with the NY2?

Finally, can someone please tell me what all the different factory sights are? What's most suitable for a purely "combat" gun? The fixed metal sights? I'm assuming that they can be changed to anything else later, if desired.

Thanks for the help.

 

[Bobby Lee]

If you like a revolver type DA trigger pull you can go with the 8lb spring with the 3.5 connector.

It gives a revolver like pull on the first shot and a really good trigger pull shooting from reset.

 

[wally]

Huh?

My Glocks (17 & 21) first pull is same as all the rest. Can't say I like the Glock trigger but I do better with it than the first shot of a DA/SA like the Beretta 92, OTOH I do much better with the second and following shots from the Beretta than I do with the Glock.

Its only since I've put in the 3.5 lb connector with the stock spring I've been able to not embarrass myself with them. I do question if this setup is safe to carry, but then I need a much smaller gun for CCW anyway, so its moot for me.

I'm not a great DA revolver shooter, but I'll generally do much better with my S&W 686 than either Glock before I switched connectors.

I much prefer the Kahr trigger over the Glock trigger for a "no external safety" gun. Others prefer the Steyr or Springfield XD but I've no experience with either of these.

--wally.

 

[Duke of Lawnchair]

wally,

Bobby's reference to the "subsequent" shots being different than the first is due in part to the trigger reset.

He was talking about squeezing the trigger RIGHT after allowing it to reset and not allowing the trigger to go completely forward.

In the end, it's the same, consistent trigger for each and every pull. It's just a matter of manipulating it.

-Jim

 

[Duke of Lawnchair]

SnubbyMan,

Have you shot a box-stock Glock?

-Jim

 

[SnubbyMan]

Hi Jim,

To be quite honest, I have not shot a box-stock Glock. I'm just a bit concerned with operator error. I would like to have an additional margin of safety until I get used to the pistol more. I know the Glock has 3 safeties, "don't put your finger on the trigger until you're ready to shoot," etc...but I just have an uneasy feeling, but want to give the Glock a chance.

 

[wally]

OK, I can feel the "take up" force compressing a spring before the resistance that builds until the trigger breaks. If I carefully release the trigger until the disconnector click (after racking the slide with the trigger full back) I can feel a slight difference between first and second pull, but I can say the same about any of my 1911 guns, although the take up is shorter, with less force required. Not sure you could do this under live recoil and/or stress without slowing down a lot.

I wasn't aware you could increase the take up force without also increasing the breaking force. I've never understood while folks who actually need to actually hit something (and would put bystanders at risk with misses) should ever be saddled with a heavier than box stock Glock trigger. Do they get a whole lot of free practice ammo with that NY trigger

OTOH seems to me you'd need to increase the take up travel to make it more "revolver-like", while the take up is long compared to any decent 1911, its short compared to any DA revolver I've ever shot. Maybe that's why I prefer Kath's trigger over Glock's.

Definitely shoot a box stock Glock before buying one or deciding you need a heavier trigger!

Sights are about the only thing I like about an out of the box Glock, not that they are "perfect" but many guns come with worse. Probably have the largest choice in night sight options with a Glock.


--wally.

 

[Mark13]

I used the stock 5.5 trigger on my G23 for years. It was ok, but not great. I recently got a 3.5 connector and am really happy with it. As far as it not being as safe, my finger is never on the trigger unless I'm pulling it. Or the pistol is in a holster. If you can do that, you should be fine with any trigger weight

The stock sights are fine for me, but I have been looking at night sights. If I was going to buy it again I would pay extra for the night sights from the start.

 

[Bobby Lee]

The stock plastic sights are the only weakness of the Glock in my opinion. The front sight will wear away after repeated draws from your holster and it is eaisly damaged if you bump it on something.

All of mine wear steel night sights.

 

[NMshooter]

Shoot a stock one before anything else.

If you want night sights check how much you have to pay for the factory sights vs. getting your own.

 

[Onmilo]

Glock safety rule #1, Keep your finger OFF the trigger until you are on target.

Rule #2 Keep your goddamn finger OFF the trigger until you are on target.

Follow these simple rules and Glocks are some of the finest Combat pistols made.

Don't follow these simple rules you earn a nickname like "RastaNarc".

 

[medmo]

I understand we are talking about Glocks but keeping the finger off of the trigger until ready to shoot applies to all firearms. I just don't want anyone to think that the "finger off of the trigger" rule is a Glock exception to make up for some defeciency. With a little bit of trigger finger practice you can get the "quick trigger reset" memorized. It makes the pistol much faster for follow up shots. For any pistol that is going to be for self defense or CCW I would stick with the factory trigger. Competition triggers are for competitions and tend to not be applicable in situations involving cheek puckering, adrenaline dumping situations. The stock sights are kind of cheesy. Install some Meprolights or Trijicons and I'm happy.

 

[Joe D]

A Glock with the 5 lb connector has a trigger pull in the 7 to 9 lb. range.
Just sticking a 3.5 connector gets you a 5 to 6 lb pull.

 

[Bobby Lee]

You can take a Glock with the 5lb connector and stock spring and spend a little time with a buffing wheel and have a really good trigger with about a 4 to 5 lb break that is as good or better than a lot of other pistols.

My Glocks have great triggers.

 

[Sean Smith]

My Glocks have great triggers.

Talk about somebody drinking the Glock Kool-Aid!

As an ex-multiple-Glock owner, I can attest that Glock triggers stink. They are very usable, but come with just about every possible bad characteristic of a trigger pull... uneven, gritty, creepy and all-around turdtacular.

Indeed, the tigger mechanism is the weak link in their reliability, too... in the FBI trials, the trigger mechanism was the only thing that failed on any of their test guns (two of them, in fact) and was one of the parts repalced in the 1992 "upgrade."

 

[Bobby Lee]

"Talk about somebody drinking the Glock Kool-Aid!

As an ex-multiple-Glock owner, I can attest that Glock triggers stink. They are very usable, but come with just about every possible bad characteristic of a trigger pull... uneven, gritty, creepy and all-around turdtacular."

If you had bothered to read my post before you posted such crap you would see that my Glocks are not stock so that has nothing to do with your opinion of out of the box Glock triggers.

The triggers on MY Glocks are better than some 1911's I have seen.

 

[medmo]

Bobby Lee, for a practical/tactical trigger Glocks are great. I have shot some 1911's with "competition dependable" triggers that are a couple of pounds and are like breaking glass. An excellent gunsmith can take a 1911 sear/spring/trigger combo where Glocks just can't go.

If we are talking about a trigger in a "holy crap" situation I don't want a competition pistol because "game mode" is off. The Glock factory trigger is great for this kind of situation and works wonderful with some practice.

It's not necessarily the trigger but the finger on the trigger. Practice, learn it and shoot a "bunch" of ammo. That will make the shooter practical regardless of the trigger design.

 

[Bobby Lee]

An excellent gunsmith can take a 1911 sear/spring/trigger combo where Glocks just can't go.

I agree with that.

The Glock trigger can be improved to the point that it does not even "feel" like a Glock trigger and while it will never feel like a highly tuned competition 1911 trigger it can me made more than good enough for a carry gun.

The Glock I carry now has a trigger that is lighter and has less creep on the second stage than some out of the box 1911 pistols.