Quick TASER Question

[Fosbery]

As I understand it, TASERs can give different length bursts. How do you choose the length of the burst and what are the possible burst lengths? (I've never handled one)

For example, if I fire one I presume you just press the trigger once and it automatically gives a timed burst - then you can press the trigger again for another burst? Or can you hold the trigger down and give a continuous/indefinite burst?

 

[Hungry Seagull]

You dont choose burst.

We own a taser C2. It will provide two probes. One at the red dot on the bad guy and the second 7 degress inclined off plane to seperate sufficient to create a distance away from probe number one.

Range is 15 feet max. Once fired, it stays firing 30 seconds. Long enough to fry the bad guy. If bad guy pulls out a bad probe or both probes, unload the cartridge and you now have 4 contact points with 6 inches of blue fire of 30 seconds duration.

The Lithium-ion battery unit in the C2 will provide you with a "Comvbat" load of 50 firing charges or so in stun mode. The problem becomes one of getting very intimate with the bad guy and making contact with the stun side of the taser in certain spots. Unfortunately, some bad guys like it close and hot. So they can break your neck or use taser against you.

You can ternimate a stun by closing the safety hatch which is over the big red button as they say. The taser's operation is regulated by a micro processor.

www.taser.com is the source.

There are other taser models availible like the X26.

Sometimes in this horrible game of knife, taser, handgun handgun wins every time. And never EVER deploy a taser towards a LEO. The act alone will justify you getting DEAD.

The Taser is for the wife if she gets caught too far away from either shotgun or my handgun. It's also a option for going into places otherwise not legal to carry a handgun for CCW. I would not want to carry one into any federal or state building though.

Taxer versus unarmed badguys? Ok fine. We will see what balls they have. But if they haul out a handgun, yer dead... something to think about.

 

[Fosbery]

Is this the same for all TASER models? I'm sure I've heard of 'five second burst's?

 

[Hungry Seagull]

I dont know. That is something you will have to contact the manufactor and ask for yourself.

Most tasers Ive seen fire for much longer than 5 seconds. Most bad guys become like tree and fall over or flop on ground like atlantic flounder hauled out of water.

It's the ones who are strong enough to endure the shock and pull the probes out and keep advancing.

They do have very special shock units that go onto prisoners and those are very large belts with the stun box located at the small of the prisoner's back spine. Upon remote wireless command that prisoner can be dropped instantly with a short duration jolt. Those units are far more powerful than the widdle biddle C2 we have.

Usually prisoners that recieve those short burst boxes are pretty compliant. If not? They become a lump of wet noodle upon someone else's desire or command at any time.

The only other short duration weapon I know of is restricted to the military. They used focused microwave energy that penetrates the person's skin just enough to boil the body's own water (Or activates the person's hot hot hot nerves.. not sure which) or fluids under that skin and cause unimaginable agony without hurting the person physically. Those are used against individuals and crowds depending on situation from mounted humvees.

Ive seen videos of very tough strong infantry running away weeping in tears from the pain inflicted by these weapons.


I doubt we will be seeing personal devices of that nature any time soon.

 

[glistam]

The current models have timed discharges. Models used by law enforcement have 5 second discharges on impact, and can be triggered for another 5 second burst each time the trigger is pulled. The reason is because they need to arrest the suspect.

The Civilian models (the C2) have a 30 second discharge. The idea is that the civilian is not interesting in making an arrest and rather just needs to escape. They shoot the baddie, set the taser down and run like hell By the time the 30 seconds are up, the person is far enough away and baddie is pretty worn out at that point. Taser Intl will then give that person a free new unit as long as they provide a copy of the police report.

Both types can be used to "drive stun" (which works like a handheld contact stun gun). This will NOT make the person drop like the launched probes do without using some kind of hand-to-hand move on them coupled with the jolt.

Research these items very carefully. I admire Taser Intl. personnel very much for creating these weapons, but they are quite silver-tongued oftentimes.

 

[Fosbery]

That explains it, thankyou. Is it just the C2 model which has the 30 second burst or do the X26 etc, when sold to civilians, have it also?

Can civilians get hold of the LE/military models?

By the way, this isn't with a view to buying. TASERs are illegal in Britain. I'm just curious.

 

[Hungry Seagull]

No need for LE Military models. They can take care of that very well.

The civilian versions I spoke about are quite enough thank you.

Regarding Taser dot com's ability to smoothly talk you and soothe you is a bit much. Silver words? Sure a bit of marketing.

Tasers are helpful for house patients with medical conditions that require no recoil order. It will give them at least a chance to get 911 going. In some areas it will take up to a half hour or more for the LEO's to arrive.

I would not put my own life on the line with a taser only. I prefer either the .45 or the Brenneke slugs (And probably a bit of triple aught now LOLZ.) for when life and death is on the line and life is not gauranteed. Ownership of a taser or gun does not automatically mean you will be magically safe and unharmed. If the bad guy that gets hit or shocked gets a hold of you and you are either fat and old or have no martial arts or both.... yer finished LOL.

Isnt it a requirement in the UK to be very fit and lean so you can outrun a knifer at any time when necessary?

 

[22-rimfire]

I've often thought about just carrying a taser on my hip rather than a real gun.

 

[Hungry Seagull]

Well me too.

Someone mentioned on here pull taser and badguy pulls a real gun... uh oh.

There is one thing though, I have been shopping through walmarts with taser in a pocket and got eyeballed one time by a LEO who recognized the device by it's neon color in my pocket. Then eyeballed me and wife calmly paying for our groceries, business as usual. No one else in that store cared or noticed. But for a few seconds I was in a chill because LEO was thinking what action to take, if any.

The amount of... what is the word... unawareness of others potential for being armed or not exhibited by the public at large is at a staggering low level of ignorance. The only people who are actually aware of anything are either LEO's other CCW's or gangstas wanna-bes who exhibit reaching towards thier baggy pants constantly checking to see if thier iron is still there.

 

[22-rimfire]

My thought was open carry as it is not a gun much like the police carry.

 

[Hungry Seagull]

The X26 I think is the same as the LEO's carry. Most bad guys will recognize it on your belt on sight. Your C2 will not be so apparent in it's correct holster in black overall. In my area it's legal to carry it.

There is one thing not mentioned so far. Taser has a background check that you need to pass before being issued a activation code to wake the new taser up. Otherwise it's a dead paperweight. A very expensive paperweight at the store.

 

[Kentucky]

I just got certified yesterday to carry a taser while on duty and learned quite a bit about them. The civilian model has a 30 second burst during which you are meant to run away. However, it has enough charge for about 60 bursts, so you can hold them there and dial 911 if you wish. Civilian models have a range of 15 feet.

The x26 is the LE model. They come in ranges of up to 35 feet. They have a 5 second burst.

Before yesterday I didnt not really think I was even interested in carrying a taser, as pain compliance is notoriously unreliable against people who are high on certain things. Believe me, the real Taser does not rely on pain compliance, though there is a lot of it. When properly hit with a taser you will go down and you will stay there in utter agony until the person controlling it decides to let you up. We had to get shot with a 5 second burst yesterday to be certified.

See the video at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGgbzBvwGNc to see what happened to a bull who was shot with one. This is exactly what happened with all of us who were shot yesterday. Every muscle in your body just tenses up and you fall down.

Tasers are not lethal force, and there are no after-effects from them, so a handgun is better in some ways. However, we all know that 80% of handgun wounds are survivable and in the real world shots from one usually doesnt incapacitate the attacker instantly. With a taser, you get instant incapacitation. We are issued G20's and the 10mm is nothing to sneeze at. But if I have to stop someone this second, I would choose the Taser. I gained a lot of respect for them yesterday!

 

[Borch]

I carry a Taser everyday at work and have successfully used it in the line of duty 7 times now. They are a fabulous weapon for our intended purpose, incapacitate, control, capture and cuff.

With that being said, I would NEVER carry one as a primary defensive weapon outside of work and I would NEVER recommend the Taser as an alternative to carrying a concealed firearm. Here's why.

1) One shot, you miss with that first cartridge and now you've got to go hands on or hope you can run faster than BG because BG is pissed that you tried to tase him, and drive stuns are much much less effective than probe shots.

2) BG may have a gun, simple enough.

3) 30 seconds is not a lot of time. On a dark night in an urban setting, if there are no businesses open to call for LE or you call from a cell phone and it takes 4- 5 minutes for them to arrive, you could be in trouble if BG decides to go hunting for you now armed with your Taser.

4) Laws regarding civilian carry of Taser devices are very unspecific and underdeveloped. IF you tase someone and they fall over, hit their head on a parking block (or whatever else) and die from subdural bruising or intracranial bleeding (real conditions that are fairly easy to inflict) you are now being charged criminally and subject to the same civil lawsuits as if you had shot the person with a real firearm in the first place. The law does not protect you simply because you carried a "less lethal" device.

As far as LEO's who think Taser's are the be all end all of LAWE work, they need to grow up. For an LEO every tool has a time and a place for it's proper and effective application and statements like this

But if I have to stop someone this second, I would choose the Taser.

are foolish and misleading. LEO Taser training classes are not usually conducted under real life conditions, they are conducted under optimum conditions.

Effective use of a Taser has many variables involved due to the fact that you are firing 2 seperate projectiles along different lines of fire at one time and beyond that they are designed to have very low penetration. So, for all of you in northern states, when the BG in the poofy down jacket approches and you tase him, he more than likely may not even notice.

As a civilian if you truly feel you need to protect yourself from possible life threatening harm buy a gun, train with it extensively, study the laws regarding weapons carry in your area, get the proper licensure and carry a firearm. If you can't justify carrying a firearm then you shouldn't be carrying a Taser either.

P.S. The bull in the above posted video was shot with an animal Taser which is 7 times stronger than Tasers for human use and is designed to be used on cattle and zoo animals. If that Taser were used on a human your muscles would contract so violently they would tear themselves away from the bones.

 

[Kentucky]

3) 30 seconds is not a lot of time. On a dark night in an urban setting, if there are no businesses open to call for LE or you call from a cell phone and it takes 4- 5 minutes for them to arrive, you could be in trouble if BG decides to go hunting for you now armed with your Taser.

But with the ability to reset the taser up to 60 times, you can hold someone in place for hours easily. Stay down or I will push the button again. And who doesnt have a cell phone these days?

1) One shot, you miss with that first cartridge and now you've got to go hands on or hope you can run faster than BG because BG is pissed that you tried to tase him, and drive stuns are much much less effective than probe shots.

Excellent point, follow-up shots with the taser are very unlikely in a pressure situation.

4) Laws regarding civilian carry of Taser devices are very unspecific and underdeveloped. IF you tase someone and they fall over, hit their head on a parking block (or whatever else) and die from subdural bruising or intracranial bleeding (real conditions that are fairly easy to inflict) you are now being charged criminally and subject to the same civil lawsuits as if you had shot the person with a real firearm in the first place. The law does not protect you simply because you carried a "less lethal" device.

There is a percentage to everything that we do in life. Percentage wise, the odds are drastically lower that you would kill someone with a taser by them falling and bumping their head than shooting them COM with a handgun.

As far as LEO's who think Taser's are the be all end all of LAWE work, they need to grow up. For an LEO every tool has a time and a place for it's proper and effective application and statements like this
Quote:
But if I have to stop someone this second, I would choose the Taser.
are foolish and misleading. LEO Taser training classes are not usually conducted under real life conditions, they are conducted under optimum conditions.

Effective use of a Taser has many variables involved due to the fact that you are firing 2 seperate projectiles along different lines of fire at one time and beyond that they are designed to have very low penetration. So, for all of you in northern states, when the BG in the poofy down jacket approches and you tase him, he more than likely may not even notice.

It is true that in a bad situation you might not get the same chance to place your probes as exactly as you do in a training class. My statement above was a little misleading as to my actual position on this subject. The point that I was trying to make was that handguns do not have the same effect in the real world as they do in Hollywood, that is that there is an excellent chance that the BG would still be able to function after taking a COM hit. If hit with a good shot from the Taser they will go down immediately. Where this little bit of information fits into any particular defense scenario depends on the circumstances. In the great majority of circumstances I would feel much more comfortable with a good Glock than a taser because of the ability for follow up shots etc... However, I can certainly envision scenarios where I would use a taser instead.

Note, I would take an M4 over either one 100% of the time.

P.S. The video clearly shows that the taser used on the bull is not the same model for human use. However, the technology is exactly the same, and the result is exactly the same.

 

[BullfrogKen]

We evaluated the C2 Taser last year in study group, and then at NTI 18 in an evening seminar.

The C2 Taser is a fine tool. But it can be defeated.

It is not ideal for a primary weapon. Remember, Law Enforcement training guidance on the use of a Taser generally calls for its use on suspects that must be taken into custody that are not imminent threats, or displaying weapons that are imminent threats. What that means is, in layman's terms, if the bad guy has a gun, use of the Taser is not appropriate. If he has a deadly contact weapon and is within close proximity, use of the Taser is not appropriate.

Deadly threats dictate responding with lethal force.

In Law Enforcement applications, the Taser is also often used with another officer providing back-up with a lethal weapon at the ready. Or, the Taser can be used when the application of physical force to take the suspect into custody is unsuccessful, or something to be avoided. Even the most fit officer can get injured in a wrestling match. The Taser lessens the chance that both the officer and the suspect will sustain injuries when the suspect wants to resist.


For private citizens, the Taser has a place. But even though it's theoretically possible to keep someone on the ground with a Taser for longer than the 30 second pulse, its not what its designed for. Contacts can work loose or break, or the line can break as the person you used it on falls and wrestles on the ground. Its best used as a tool to escape from the immediate area. That escape can be to run far away, or to take up a position of strength somewhere with your firearm.


Anyone in the prison system or who run in criminal circles know how to defeat a Taser. They aren't Star Trek stun phasers. Not yet anyway. Do not use one with the intention of holding someone in custody with it until police arrive. Use it to escape.


I've taken 3 rides on the C2. They can be defeated.