"Quiet" ammo.

[3Crows]

Colibri sticks in the barrel on any of my rifles. It will shoot though a revolver. I like the CB Shorts but they will not cycle in the 1022 and the Quiet Semi-Auto will with a ME of 70 FPE which is nearly three times that of a magnum break barrel .25 caliber air rifle, typically more like 25 plus or minus FPE. Of course, if noise is not the only factor but legality of a firearm, then that niche can be occupied by several air rifles. My Steroid 392 (.22 caliber pumper) gets over the 20 FPE hump quite nicely and unlike the .25 magnum gas spring gun I have, it is very accurate at 25 yards:



I am under 25 yards, maximum 30 yards, with all of this Quiet ammo and/or air rifles and what not foolishness. Out past 25 yards, as long as a powder burner is legal, there are better choices and better ammo. That said, the segmented bullets dump all of their energy instantly, I would not want to get hit by one, it is gonna leave a mark!

 

[Obturation]

This reminded me of a story,

A few years ago my buddy shot a huge racoon that was eating decrotive corn on his front porch.
Aguila 60 grain sss , at 10-15 feet he hit it once while it was running away. Just in front of the left rear leg, the critter climbed a tree and 30 seconds later crashed to the ground stone cold dead. The 60 grain bullet tumbled lengthwise through its middle and exited just in front of its right front leg. It was very impressive damage and an unlikely result but those are some mean subsonics, they are a little noisey but not too bad.

 

[rdnktrkr]

I like them in a bolt action or revolver but they won't cycle my semis. I've shot racoons and armadillos that were digging up my garden with them and they eased off to die in the woods, my neighbors didn't know I shot.

 

[cslinger]

That’s fair. But I’m back to the air rifle for a fraction of the cost, and similar noise level. So once again I ask WHY does it need to be even more super, tacticool ninja quiet than an air rifle? LOL!

And while I agree yes, it is a bit more. But only slightly more than a 22cal air rifle that can send close to 30gr pellets at almost 1000fps.

The vast number of .22 pellets are 14-16 grain. You might get up into the 18 grain area but 30 grains???? Also to launch a .22 pellet weighing any amount at a reliable 1000 FPS (which may kill your accuracy) is going to both be expensive as it will likely be a PCP rifle and loud’ish.

i personally think air rifles are fantastic within their envelope. But a bolt action .22LR with quiet ammo is likely the better choice for hunting etc. as you will get more power and a repeater and the sound signature won’t be vastly different from an airgun able to meet similar specs and may in fact be quieter. CCI quiet out of a CZ452 with any decent barrel length is pretty quiet and is chucking 40 grains of lead at a pretty respectable speed. I still believe this trumps all “normal” air rifles.

Now I am a shooter not a hunter or pester so obviously when it comes to that my opinion means exactly jack and shi......errrr means as much as you paid for it. . But I have put a scant few rounds down range through a great many firearms and airguns so I do have a little knowledge on the shooting part.

 

[3Crows]

CCI Quiet Semi-Auto = 70 FPE
CCI Quiet = 45 FPE
CCI Quiet Segmented = 45 FPE
CB Short = 33 FPE

Typical .22 caliber springer air rifle = 10 FPE to 20 FPE
Typical .25 caliber springer air rifle = 20 FPE to 30 FPE

This calculator does not know if you are putting in a powder burner or an air rifle:

https://www.pyramydair.com/airgun-resources/widgets/convert.php?Units&u=14

Suggested FPE for offing certain critters from some air rifle site I lost memory of:



Your air rifles may be different than mine but of mine they are all noticeably louder than the CCI ammos listed above.

 

[Cannibul]

I tried subsonic 22 years ago. It’s just so anemic. Honestly there are air rifles that will just about match it.

Huh??

Really??

Subsonic or Standard Velocity ammo is not anemic. 40 gr at 1050 fps.

Show me the $230 air rifle that will "just about match it".

 

[illinoisburt]

Because the CCI Quiet are much quieter than most air rifles. And hit a good deal harder not due to velocity being more, it is not, but the larger bullet and the segmented in particular, really hit hard compared to an air rifle (which again, I have found to make more noise and be much less accurate).

Definitely on the right track. I've got a 22 springer that shoots a solid 26 fpe (chronographed 19 grain pellets at 790 fps). It is much louder than any of the quiet type 22 rimfire shot through a pump rifle. Honestly it seems close in volume to a standard velocity short.

I found lower power airgun around 12 fpe with a moderator is a little less noise than the CCI, but not the super cobris. Those have nothing more than a pop. However the real question is what are you using it for? These really aren't suited for hunting. They are made for gallery shooting and small vermin.

I do prefer an airgun for anything that involves shooting upwards as pellets are relatively light weight with poor aerodynamics so they carry less distance and present much less danger out yonder to people, buildings, and livestock. If you have a nuisance animal which needs to be dispatched, that's usually a short range affair anyway so any of the quiet types are fine. and to be fair if its bigger than a couple pounds none of these are really suitable anyway.

 

[Dave DeLaurant]

CCI "Quiet-22 Semi-Auto", which is .22LR with 45 gr. bullets and with 835 fps... yesterday I wondered how well that ammo would work in my 10/22, instead. Works absolutely fine. Cycled all ten shots with no hiccups.

Good to know, thanks! I have two other CCI quiet loadings, one with a pre-fragmented small game bullet and one marked CB Long. Neither will cycle in my any of 10/22s or rimfire autopistolas, but I have other options -- I'll keep my eyes peeled for this semi-auto loading.

As an aside, one extremely quiet arrangement I discovered some years ago was to use a 6" rifled .357 chamber insert in an 18"-barreled single shot shotgun. The remaining 12" of empty 12ga bore functions as an expansion chamber and really quiets things down. With subsonic wadcutter handloads, some experimentation on orienting the insert and careful aim using improvised iron sights, I found that could hit squirrels pretty consistently out to about 15 yards or so. Made more of a 'bloop' than a 'bang'.

 

[3Crows]

I have two other CCI quiet loadings, one with a pre-fragmented small game bullet and one marked CB Long. Neither will cycle in my any of 10/22s or rimfire autopistolas, but I have other options -- I'll keep my eyes peeled for this semi-auto loading.

The CB Long is not the same as CCI Quiet. And, no, CB Long will not cycle in a 1022. The CCI Quiet Semi-Auto will cycle a 1022 unless it has been modded with a "Stinger" spring. This is the Quiet Semi-Auto:

https://www.cci-ammunition.com/rimfire/cci/quiet-22_semi-auto/6-975CC.html

The Ruger 1022 rifle and all of their semi-auto pistols are designed for Long Rifle only ammunition, not Long or for that matter, Short.

 

[beag_nut]

Good to know, thanks! I have two other CCI quiet loadings, one with a pre-fragmented small game bullet and one marked CB Long. Neither will cycle in my any of 10/22s or rimfire autopistolas, but I have other options -- I'll keep my eyes peeled for this semi-auto loading.

As an aside, one extremely quiet arrangement I discovered some years ago was to use a 6" rifled .357 chamber insert in an 18"-barreled single shot shotgun. The remaining 12" of empty 12ga bore functions as an expansion chamber and really quiets things down. With subsonic wadcutter handloads, some experimentation on orienting the insert and careful aim using improvised iron sights, I found that could hit squirrels pretty consistently out to about 15 yards or so. Made more of a 'bloop' than a 'bang'.

Thanks! That is excellent info, which I totally had forgotten about (the inserts).

 

[tallpaul]

PCPs aside, really, I do not think so. Show me an airgun, break barrel specifically, that can put the pellets in near about the same hole at 25 yards and has equal power. Oh, and weighs the same as a .22 and is semi-auto and does not cost several times more than a 1022 which can be had under $250.

Which one is the 7mm Remington Magnum and which one is an air rifle that troubles itself to make 700 FPS with a measly 25 grain pellet that for which a tin of cost as much or more than several boxes of CCI Quiet? Oh, and which one cost more?

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the top is the 7mm mag... none of the other "restrictions you mention were part of your original comments... and a cheap break barrel is not a great representation of airguns and whether you like it or not pcp's are airguns and cost of the airguns was not as I said part of yer original whine... a quality break barrel is often one hole accurate with pellets it likes Ya can be predudiced against airguns all ya want but ya dont get to make facts up as ya go... ya can not like em if ya want thats ok also

 

[.455_Hunter]

I like the Colibri and Quiet product lines- we shoot them all the time. The standard Colibri is great in revolvers, with the Super Colibri and standard Quiet great in single shot or manual repeating rifles. The 45 gr "supperssor" loads are just a bit louder than the Quiets, and still behind the .22 Standard Velocity out of the rifles. The only issue I have experienced is sticking a standard Colibri in the barrel of a rifle- hence they are only used in the wheel guns.

 

[tark]

I've got a Remington 550-1. It doesn't care what I feed it. Thank you, Carbine Williams !!!!

 

[tubeshooter]

I tried a box of CCI Quiet, it seemed to work about like the CB Longs performance-wise. I stick with the CB Longs and Shorts because I like the visual difference personally compared to 22LR for my "quiet" ammo needs.

The Colibri and Super Colibri stuff is even quieter IMO, but they are somewhat harder for me to find in my area. Not quite as accurate in my guns either.


I do want to say that I have a low end pump air rifle and it does serve some purpose for me. Of course even standard velocity .22 ammo leaves it in the dust as far as power... no argument there.

 

[Koroner]

Twelve years ago I had a neighbor that kept 9 cats outside.

Needless to say after much feline feces, 3:00am fights, and scratching up my late mom's chair and other property damage I was fed up.

One of my cameras revealed a cat on my roof late at night. The house lights were enough to see my sights on my pump .22 and the cat was silhouetted from the right spot. The CB round didn't wake the neighbors, entered the cat's eye, and it fell off the roof like a sack of potatoes.

So many cats and such few opportunities for such a satisfying hit!




"This morning I shot an elephant in my pajamas.
How it got into my pajamas I'll never know."
Groucho Marx

 

[3Crows]

the top is the 7mm mag... none of the other "restrictions you mention were part of your original comments... and a cheap break barrel is not a great representation of airguns and whether you like it or not pcp's are airguns and cost of the airguns was not as I said part of yer original whine... a quality break barrel is often one hole accurate with pellets it likes Ya can be predudiced against airguns all ya want but ya dont get to make facts up as ya go... ya can not like em if ya want thats ok also

The ball is in your court, in your whine/rant, you claim differently, show me? Show me the air rifle that can duplicate the ballistics and muzzle energy and typical accuracy at 25 to 100 yards or even 20 yards of standard velocity, subsonic or CCI Quiet 22 ammo? I am an air gunner but I am not going to pretend there are air rifles that can cost effectively duplicate .22 rimfire power or accuracy. You do not get to make up facts to suit yourself of which you have presented none. A PCP is certainly an air rifle, I never excluded them except on the basis of cost and complexity and to some extent weight and noise though there are means of suppressing an air rifle to equal the unsuppressed CCI Quiet, more complexity, cost, weight. I hope your facts are more accurate than "ya" spelling. Or better yet, we agree to disagree. Maybe when you went on your rant you forgot to notice you are not in the BB gun section of the forum .

 

[David Hoback]

Huh??

Really??

Subsonic or Standard Velocity ammo is not anemic. 40 gr at 1050 fps.

Show me the $230 air rifle that will "just about match it".

We were talking about THIS:



Yes...it is! I’ve used it. It won’t operate a semi automatic reliably. Just do a search. It’s easy to find a 22cal air rifle good for up to 1050fps.

And to the other post about 22cal pellet weight. All you need to do is know how to search.

Here ya go for over 25gr!
https://www.amazon.com/Haendler-Nat...keywords=22+cal+pellets&qid=1599082882&sr=8-9

Or These maybe? 29.94gr. https://www.amazon.com/Haendler-Nat...eywords=22+cal+pellets&qid=1599082996&sr=8-23

 

[David Hoback]

Regardless, I’m not a proponent of either this lower powered 22 or air rifles! Last air rifle I had I was a kid, LOL.

I like 22lr for plinking. But I’m into the heaviest & highest velocity stuff out there 22lr is quiet anyway.

If it’s working for you and enjoyable, more power. Later.

 

[beag_nut]

I cannot believe how this thread has acquired a life of its own. All I wanted to mention is how the second batch of "quiet" was able to cycle my 10/22. But I am not complaining, I think.

 

[LoonWulf]

We were talking about THIS:
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Yes...it is! I’ve used it. It won’t operate a semi automatic reliably. Just do a search. It’s easy to find a 22cal air rifle good for up to 1050fps.

And to the other post about 22cal pellet weight. All you need to do is know how to search.

Here ya go for over 25gr!
https://www.amazon.com/Haendler-Nat...keywords=22+cal+pellets&qid=1599082882&sr=8-9

Or These maybe? 29.94gr. https://www.amazon.com/Haendler-Nat...eywords=22+cal+pellets&qid=1599082996&sr=8-23

Those are probably heavier than most of the .22 Springer's can run comfortably, but a PCP would drive those fast enough to be very effective.

IMO you don't buy an airgun as a work around for a powder burner, unless you NEED a work around. Cost to performance is heavily in favor of the powder burner.
My Bulldog (if purchased new, with upgrades) would cost about 1200-1300 dollars. It will drive a 140gr bullet at 930fps for 3 shots from 20mins of pumping. A 300 dollar charter will do the same thing.
Likewise a 450 dollar .22 cal Marauder can better a .22 short or CB cap, (tho I'm not positive it can get a 40gr to 800) but for the cost you could get a cheap marlin or something that will do the same thing.

 

[tallpaul]

I am not going to pretend there are air rifles that can cost effectively duplicate .22 rimfire power or accuracy. You do not get to make up facts to suit yourself of which you have presented none. A PCP is certainly an air rifle, I never excluded them except on the basis of cost and complexity and to some extent weight and noise though there are means of suppressing an air rifle to equal the unsuppressed CCI Quiet, more complexity, cost, weight. I hope your facts are more accurate than "ya" spelling. Or better yet, we agree to disagree. Maybe when you went on your rant you forgot to notice you are not in the BB gun section of the forum .

Again cost was not mentioned in your original posts mentioning airguns... there are plenty of suppressed .25 n.30 cal air rifles that are well within the power n accuracy claims you originally cited and surpass your power comments... you are the one chaning the game in midstream when ya were caught speaking lies...now ya want to add cost n ease etc... and speeling? I dont typr well or proofread a lotand I dontreally care.... I do not have to pleaseateacherora spelling nazi at this point in my life...

 

[Carl N. Brown]

CCI Quiet22 (40gr at 710 fps) works in my ArmaLite AR-7 as a straight pull bolt action, and is quiet from a 16" barrel.
44 foot pound energy will kill a lot of edible small game animals, and many pest or varmint species.
CCI MiniMag 40gr copperplated round nose high velocity functions well in that AR-7 rifle too as a semi auto Loud22 Supersonic.

Subsonic gets thrown around until it loses meaning.
Subsonic is merely muzzle velocity less than the speed of sound.
These are all "subsonic" rounds:
Aguila Super Colibri ("Eagle Super Hummingbird")
_ 20 gr bullet at 590 fps for 16 ft/lbs energy
CCI CB Long and CCI CB Short
_ 29 gr bullet at 720 fps for 33 ft/lbs
CCI Quiet-22
_ 40 gr bullet at 710 fps for 44 ft-lbs
CCI .22 LR Standard Velocity
_ 40 gr bullet at 1070 fps for 101 ft/lbs energy.
Winchester M-22
_ 45 gr bullet at 1090 fps for 118 ft/lbs
Aguila SubSonicSniper SSS
_ 60 gr bullet at 950 fps for 120 ft/lbs

I think Winchester M-22 and Augila SSS were intended to be very quiet with silencers while delivering reasonable energy levels for .22LR.

 

[Bfh_auto]

I have not noticed any mention of them on this forum, but has anyone else tried the CCI "Quiet .22LR" ammo? The earlier version had 40 gr. bullets and velocity of about 710 fps. That's OK by me, to use in a .22 revolver to get squirrels. I got low of stock in them and asked my LGS to get me a couple more bricks. What he got instead was CCI "Quiet-22 Semi-Auto", which is .22LR with 45 gr. bullets and with 835 fps. For a revolver I thought what the hey, it'll work. That was last February. Then the virus took over our lives and things got pretty boring. Then yesterday I wondered how well that ammo would work in my 10/22, instead. Works absolutely fine. Cycled all ten shots with no hiccups. And much quieter than standard velocity .22's. Just another alternate load to use, which works.

I ran the 40 cci quiet.
I used them to shoot treed coons with my beretta neos. They worked very well. I can't find them anymore so I run Aguila subs.

 

[LoonWulf]

Arrgh! I keep forgetting to mention that I've got both original quiets, and the semi friendly quiets. Neither will run my buckmark, but the semi-auto ones will run my 597 and 795s.

 

[Dave DeLaurant]

I cannot believe how this thread has acquired a life of its own. All I wanted to mention is how the second batch of "quiet" was able to cycle my 10/22. But I am not complaining, I think.

Happens.

BTW, the main use I've had for CCI's Quiets had been for applying the coup de grace to live-trapped varmints in an urban setting. One of my neighbors was overrun with possums that kept wiping out his fruit crop -- we ultimately thinned out the local 'grin' by twelve of its members. Dad had been drowning them in the cage before I convinced him that a CB to the back of the skull was more humane. I don't recall ever needing a second shot.