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Radio Host Questions RKB Automatic Firearms

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Moopheus

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This radio host makes an interesting case as to why civilians shouldn't have access to automatic firearms; AK-47's in particular. I don't agree with him myself, but he challenges anyone to submit to him a case history where an AK-47 saved your life in a hostile urban situation. He plans to discuss it on the next show.

In order to hear the show, you must have a computer program that can do mp3 streaming, like WinAmp. The discussion about gun-control is toward the latter half of the show.

You can also download the entire show here
 
Straw man argument. The question isn't "are they useful", the question is "will lawful ownership cause any problems that are worth restricting the RKBA".

The answer is no.
 
I've listened to parts of it and this guy is just spouting off crap with absolutely no thought involved. He thinks the situation in PRNK is simple to solve and can be easily diffused by talking. You know, sorta like what Clinton did so they can continue to develop nuclear weapons even though they promised not to.

This idiot doesn't even understand why the military is subdivided into branches, divisions, units, etc... This dude is trying to rationalize why we should feel bad for becoming hardened against terrorists in Iraq and then he claims that Saddam was better than us. Then he tries to say it is okay to attack an occupying force because that is what we would do. Then he labels College Republicans who are raising money for troops as terrorists because the U.S. snipers shoot journalists (which he claims is true because he heard about it on the BBC)

If he is middle of the road, which he claims, wow. This guy is an elitist through and through. There is a reason that nobody is on to counter him because he is an idiot. Here are a couple highlights.

1) He talks about the NRA supporting teflon bullets and other madness
2) He says the mall attacker used an AK-47
3) He has no idea what an AK-47 is or how to get one
4) He only listens to "Real News Agencies" because gun websites are unreliable
5) Cops don't count as good users of guns
6) Self-defense with a gun or confronting a burglar is a silly choice
7) The second amendment is nonsense and people only have guns because they are fun toys
8) #7 is an irresponsible thing and can only be safe if you are trained and know what you are doing
9) Loaded guns are dangerous because everyone knows kids will get them
10) Semi's and autos have no useful purpose

Save yourself the time, just skip to minute 48. This will settle it all for you.
 
This radio host makes an interesting case as to why civilians shouldn't have access to automatic firearms; AK-47's in particular. I don't agree with him myself, but he challenges anyone to submit to him a case history where an AK-47 saved your life in a hostile urban situation. He plans to discuss it on the next show.

And I challenge him to submit a case where listening to some blowhard "radio personality" saved anyones life in a hostile urban situation.
 
Tell him to ask the shop owners during the L.A. riots.

Rights are not based on "needs".
 
7) The second amendment is nonsense and people only have guns because they are fun toys
So what if they are fun toys? If that's what they are, they are nonetheless constitutionally-guaranteed fun toys, and all the rhetoric in the world can't alter that fundamental fact.
 
Asking how many people have used machine guns to save their lives is like asking how many have used their Ferrari "Enzo" to stay alive. How many Enzos are out there? Of those, how many NEVER get used because they're rare and expensive?

Besides, if he said any one of the list of things Deavis put out there while I was listening to his show, I'd switch it off.
 
Bump what Don said. There are practically no cases to cite precisely because there are practically no machineguns to use for such cases - and the few that exist legally are rarely brought out for any reason, much less serious defensive use.

A good counter-argument would be asking why a rapidly growing number of police departements are outfitting cops with full-auto M16 variants. Cops can get machineguns and use them without wierd legal results, so why are they choosing to have the full-auto option available?

On a historical note, the 2nd Amendment - backed up by the Militia Act Of 1792 - was written specifically written with the intent that common citizens would own the standard military weapon of the day. Back then, it was a musket. Today, that's an M4 or AK-47. You ARE a member of the USA militia, you ARE enrolled and notified (via Selective Service), and it IS your duty to be suitably and reasonably prepared & trained; do you have your bugout bag and M4 ready to go at a moment's notice?

FWIW: When I got my Class III AOW, the sheriff signing the paperwork specifically said "this is for collecting purposes, right? I don't want to ever hear about it being used improperly." Same goes, at least implicitly, for all other C3 possession: the reason you don't hear much about machineguns being used for self-defense is because they're all locked away for collecting, not defense.

And yes, there is the case of the H&K sales rep defending himself and wife from a murderous gang via a Ruger machinegun.
 
In response to the Gary Fadden article, it's a huge shame what the cost of self defense is.
Shoot a man who's trying to kill you and your wife, you end up paying nearly 50k.
>_<
 
Deavis: I wouldn't say the guy is really an idiot or an elitist (not sure what you mean there). Ironcially, he usually defends civil rights. But yes, to not understand the miltary is divided into branches is very ignorant really.

Hopefully some of you have emailed him like he suggested. I'd like to see what he says on the next show. :)

He did say on the show that he had no problem with people owning guns. It's just that apparently he thought there should be a limit and certain restrictions. But I think you've all made a sweeping counter argument to that.

Anyway, I think it makes more sense to try and educate this guy (who can be very reasonable) than to bash him outright. Here's his email. You never know, he might change his mind.
 
simple point, the people the founders were trying to protect us from were not bg's it was their successors.
they wanted an even playing field if the citizens needed to rise up again and throw off tyranny. Many of the founding fathers thought that there would be a need for a new revolution periodically.
 
This issue was settled by the US Supreme Court in U.S. v. Miller (1939).

"These show plainly enough that the Militia comprised all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense. 'A body of citizens enrolled for military discipline.' And further, that ordinarily when called for service these men were expected to appear bearing arms supplied by themselves and of the kind in common use at the time."

AR's and AK's are exactly the 'kind in common use' at this 'time' and should therefore be the most protected.

I would also ask Mr Radio to cite one example of a legally owned automatic firearm being used illegally. There are only two times that I am aware of and one was a suicide in Tn. in the 1970's and one was a mob hit by a Detroit police officer using a department firearm. If you go to where the misuse is then LE tactical teams shouldn't have them and regular people should. Why would you seek to ban something that has historically not been a problem? Sounds like a knee jerk idiot to me, unless he would care to explain his logic because I don't understand it.
 
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