Quadkid
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The range i usually go to has a RSO standing behind everyone and isn't afraid to yell at idiots. Some people don't like it, but I find it comforting.
Range etiquette... or lack thereof
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RX-178
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Definitely been in this situation before stratman26.
That's why I go shooting out in the desert east of town, out on Montana past Red Sands.
Go all the way east on Montana, and turn right when you see a big white sign that says 'Montana Quarry'. It leads to dirt and gravel roads out into the middle of the desert. Plenty of safe, isolated places to shoot out there.
That's why I go shooting out in the desert east of town, out on Montana past Red Sands.
Go all the way east on Montana, and turn right when you see a big white sign that says 'Montana Quarry'. It leads to dirt and gravel roads out into the middle of the desert. Plenty of safe, isolated places to shoot out there.
Would you ask a baseball player to only field pop ups and not grounders as well? Would you ask a basketball player to practice with no shoes? Would you ask a football player to practice on a 25 yard fied? If you did would you expect the players to even come close to playing to their potential?
Just shows that you don't know how to properly drive on ice. Neutral is not the way you do it, you don't have nearly the control if something happens, leave it in gear and let off the gas. But since you are in Texas you may not spend 6 months of the year practicing
KrisKollins
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I had a guy yell at me because I started shooting before he had his ears on. I pointed at the sign that said "Have ear protection on at all times when in range". Don't yell at me for following the rules.
doc2rn
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^things like that irk me. Some people have blatent disregard for anyone but themselves. Like the lady who was driving oblivious to the world or the man who intentionally sees someone without ears on and starts blasting away. No wonder we are in one of the longest greatest depressions ever. To much me and not enuff we.
As a member of the THR we should look out for each other, like the time I took a sixgun left on a fence back to its owner who drove off with out it. Followed her into town 37 miles away just to give it back in a BK parking lot. She was trying to get the lil one fed and had completely forgotten she had set in down to put the stroller in her mama wagon.
And laughing at someone elses misfortune is not very highroad, Armedbear, in point of fact you could be charged with leaving the scene of an accident, slow drivers are often ticketed here for obstructing the flow of traffic.
As a member of the THR we should look out for each other, like the time I took a sixgun left on a fence back to its owner who drove off with out it. Followed her into town 37 miles away just to give it back in a BK parking lot. She was trying to get the lil one fed and had completely forgotten she had set in down to put the stroller in her mama wagon.
And laughing at someone elses misfortune is not very highroad, Armedbear, in point of fact you could be charged with leaving the scene of an accident, slow drivers are often ticketed here for obstructing the flow of traffic.
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analogies
Dookie: With all due respect....about baseball. baskeball. football......those are all what are called False Analogies. Practicing shooting is not a ball sport. They have nothing in common. In any case, each example cited demands LESS skill than normal.
How is shooting at 25 yards more limiting than shooting at three or seven? if you can hit what you are shooting at at seventy five feet, you can probably hit it at ten. If you can shoot five shots accurately rapidly, then, chances are, you can shoot ten or fiffteen well also.
Pete
Dookie: With all due respect....about baseball. baskeball. football......those are all what are called False Analogies. Practicing shooting is not a ball sport. They have nothing in common. In any case, each example cited demands LESS skill than normal.
How is shooting at 25 yards more limiting than shooting at three or seven? if you can hit what you are shooting at at seventy five feet, you can probably hit it at ten. If you can shoot five shots accurately rapidly, then, chances are, you can shoot ten or fiffteen well also.
Pete
stratman26
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Ill have to check that out... its just that the R&G is about 10 minutes from where i live, and for the most part I like shooting with other people and shooting the bull in between sets. had an enjoyable time this afternoon sharing a lane with a couple other soldiers. There is a good place to shoot in santa teresa also, been wheeling out there.. next time ill bring my guns and pop off a few rounds out there.
benEzra
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If you are practicing defensive shooting, then yes, practice in the 3 to 7 yard range is just as important (perhaps more so) than practicing shooting tiny groups at 25 yards. My local range has target points at 5, 10, 15, and 25 yards on the pistol side. Shooting skillfully and well at 5 yards from the holster is indeed quite different from shooting at 25.
Taking the time to set up a finer sight picture for 25-yard shooting is quite different than picking up the front sight as the gun is pushed out, breaking the shot as your arms lock out, and breaking the second shot as soon as the pistol settles from recoil. If all you ever practice is sedate 25-yard shooting, then you'll know you can shoot slow and sedate single-hole groups at 5 yards, certainly, but what you won't know is how well you'll do under a much more compressed time scale.
Have you ever thought about shooting an IDPA or USPSA match? I think you might enjoy it, and I think you will find that it uses (and hones) a different skill set than 25-yard slowfire does. A lot of us feel that this skillset is also more practical for defensive, as opposed to hunting, handgunnery.
The other thing is, I am all for knowing and abiding by the rules at the range you may happen to be shooting at, but I have never shot at a range that limited you to 5 rounds in the gun (I'm 39 and have been an avid shooter for more than 20 years), and I would refuse to patronize such a range if at all possible.
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These guys will find out what it means by what goes around comes around meaning, they'll get 2 people shooting next to them sometime that are more obnoxious, rude, and unsafe then them. Just like make it idiot proof and they'll build a better idiot.
I can see now why more then ever they have the rules like they do at the public ranges where I'm at!
I can see now why more then ever they have the rules like they do at the public ranges where I'm at!
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25 yards
Ben Ezra: Thanks for your reply. I agree that if all one did was "sedate" shooting of one hole groups at 25 yards, then there is a whole panoply of skills that are being ignored.
But.....you have misunderstood what I wrote. "twenty-five yard slowfire"?? The references to slow and sedate shooting of one hole groups at 25 yards....well, those are your words not mine and reflect the common mode of thinking about shooting at 25 yards. it must be slowfire. Not so I was referring to practicing at 25 yards in the same way and at the same speed as at five yards. What I said was "if you can hit what you are aiming at at 25 yards, you can probably hit it at ten." There is no good reason to let distance dictate the validity of a rapid fire drill. Shoot the rapid drills at 25. Why not?
Remember that I am writing about groups of shooters who hold up a line because they have decided that they have to do the drills at 15 or 20 feet.
No reason for that if they are competent shooters.
Pete
Ben Ezra: Thanks for your reply. I agree that if all one did was "sedate" shooting of one hole groups at 25 yards, then there is a whole panoply of skills that are being ignored.
But.....you have misunderstood what I wrote. "twenty-five yard slowfire"?? The references to slow and sedate shooting of one hole groups at 25 yards....well, those are your words not mine and reflect the common mode of thinking about shooting at 25 yards. it must be slowfire. Not so I was referring to practicing at 25 yards in the same way and at the same speed as at five yards. What I said was "if you can hit what you are aiming at at 25 yards, you can probably hit it at ten." There is no good reason to let distance dictate the validity of a rapid fire drill. Shoot the rapid drills at 25. Why not?
Remember that I am writing about groups of shooters who hold up a line because they have decided that they have to do the drills at 15 or 20 feet.
No reason for that if they are competent shooters.
Pete
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benEzra
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A 25-yard target is only 1/5 the angular size of the same target at 5 yards, meaning that you will have to slow down some. Also, it's harder to tell on the 25-yard target whether a particular shot would have been an A-zone hit at 5 yards; some A-zone hits at 5 will be off the paper/cardboard at 25, and even if you're on the paper at 25, the difference in angular size may make a good shot look like a bad one.
BTW, in the case you described, if I understand it correctly, I agree that standing forward of the firing line with others waiting to shoot was egregiously out of line; nor am I saying that you can't develop a lot of those skills on a 25-yard-only range, if you work around some of the limitations. I'm just pointing out why I believe practice at closer ranges is indeed useful, and why most handgun ranges are set up to allow both.
BTW, in the case you described, if I understand it correctly, I agree that standing forward of the firing line with others waiting to shoot was egregiously out of line; nor am I saying that you can't develop a lot of those skills on a 25-yard-only range, if you work around some of the limitations. I'm just pointing out why I believe practice at closer ranges is indeed useful, and why most handgun ranges are set up to allow both.
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