Rantings on the 2A Issues

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You want to know what grinds my gears? You want to know what really sets me off?

This statement from Thomas Jefferson:

"No man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."

While it's not the statement that irritates me. It's an awesome statement that I'm going to put as a back ground on my computer. And yet, it irritates me, because this is from one of out fore-fathers, but the politicians who're "supposed to be" following in their foot steps are trying to take away something that's been our ammended right since the birth of this country.

What gives? What are they afraid of? What have they to hide if they are trying to take our rights?

I'm not starting this thread as a bash-on-and-hate-our-politicians thread. I'm merely venting to a crowd who has a sentiment towards the 2A rights.

Thoughts? Or am I just getting worked up over nothing?
 
After nearly 4 years here you're just now outraged by the illogical nature of the Anti?

I went from puzzlement to outrage to grim determination to counter this irrational position in 1993. Most of us are long past outrage.
 
I have 20+ guns and a lifetime permit to carry them pretty much anywhere in my state ( and 2 dozen others)...no problem here.
 
Freedom and liberty cannot live in words written on paper with dried ink but can only live in the hearts of the people. Should the people let freedom and liberty die in their hearts then freedom and liberty will perish no matter what those words may say!
 
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It's more of a "finally sinking in" sort of thing. I like that statement JellyJar. It just sickens me that our own "polititians," people who're supposed to fight for our rights, are literally trying to take them, minus a few.

Where have our morals and beliefs gone? Why the betrayal of these? Different beliefs, or is it because of the lobbyists, and the money? If it's the latter, then they're dispicable sell-outs who need to re-evaluate why they're in the government, if for anything but the right reasons...
 
I think you're over idealizing politicians. The great leaders have always been in the minority of politicians.
 
Can anyone give me some ideas to help out in this fight to educate? Last I checked, I was still a member of the NRA, if not, I know what I'm going to do with birthday money (if any).
 
Thoughts? Or am I just getting worked up over nothing?
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Well, is there anything in particular you are getting worked up about, or is it just strangely timed general frustration?

Since Clinton got out of the White House, the 2nd Amendment has been relatively secure at the Federal level, and we've even made advances. This is particularly notable in the face of the panic concerning the current administration.

At the state level, things vary wildly. In my state, the 2nd Amendment has made tremendous advances, although I understand that other states are not so fortunate.

It seems like things are advancing in Iowa too. In regards to CCW, you guys recently became a shall issue state.

Is something specific bothering you?
 
The things bothering me are things that happened with the 2A rights since the beginnings of this country have been bothering me, it's nothing recent. The Clinton era? I wasn't old enough to appreciate what was going on. I wasn't serious about guns until about 14, and the Clinton era? I was between 5 and 12.

I'm anxious to get my CCW. I'm happy it's a shall issue now. Soon as I get the ability (funds) I'm filling out the application.
 
I wouldn't say that you're getting worked up over nothing, but the constant threat to our civil liberties is hardly news. You can bash politicians all you want, you'll certainly get no objection from me. I doubt you'll find anyone on this forum who doesn't feel the same way.

The problem is that we have politicians in the first place, rather than statesmen. Unfortunately, we've never lived in a perfect world. It doesn't matter how high a nation's ideals are or how good its system of government is. Positions of power, by their nature, have always had a strong tendency to either attract corruption or breed corruption, going back to ancient times. The Roman Republic is a prime example. No system is or ever has been air-tight, because governments are just as imperfect as the people who create them. Once a man has tasted the sweet wine of power, he'll become reluctant to contain his instincts and drink himself to drunken insanity, unabashedly trying to undermine his legal constraints. But fortunately, evil ambitions will always have the willpower of good, righteous men and women to counterbalance them. It's the natural order of the world.
 
Politicians for the most part take positions that they think will keep people voting for them. The average person in our ever urbanizing society doesn't think much about guns, and when gun crime happens, the knee jerk reaction is to blame the gun. Unfortunately knee jerk reactions have largely taken the place of reasoned thought these days.
 
For me, my wake up call was back in '68 when I turned 13. I'd never seen my dad and uncles (all hard core Dems) so worked up. I knew about the assassinations and the race riots and made the mistake of telling Dad "2 + 2 = 4 don't it?" (figuring assassinations and riots intelligently equal gun control) and proceeded to get a lesson on the 2nd and this nations history. :eek:

Common sense. When I hear these words I thank the Good Lord that our forefathers had much more than "common sense" at their command in regards to RKBAs.

Thoughts? Gain as much factual knowledge as you can in regards to the 2nd. Do the same for all potential elected officials. Discuss with like minded and opposite minded people. Sway those you can, plant seeds in the others minds, vote all the bums out of office regularly (you'll have to as once they get in office, they like it as it beats working for a living).

Finally, Take newbies shooting and discuss all of the above once the fun is over.
 
Anti definition of "common sense gun laws": Only Cops and Soldiers get guns. You can get only one if you have a reason like being part of a target shooting club or you are licensed collector. If so, then all your guns must be deactivated and you cannot have anything semiautomatic or powerful."

So long as there is stupidity, people will rant that the tool is the cause.
 
Also join the NRA if not already a member. If already a member try to sign up a friend or family member. The antis won't hold much sway when there are more and more of us and we speak up.
 
Don't flame me too bad but I'll admit that I used to be an anti. I thought gun laws were acceptable since in theory it restricted only criminals. Then I bought my first gun and the light bulb went off in my head. Gun laws only restricted me and I'm not a criminal. Now I'm angry like the rest of you, probably more so since I realize how foolish I was.

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The use of weapons is an extention of your natural right to defend your life, liberty and property.
 
Don't blame the politicians, it's the ignorant sheeple that put them in power that are the problem. The ADHD public that demands 10 second sound bites instead of intellectual debates are the problem.
 
Look at this in another vein. It isn't our rights they are after. No matter what happens, we'll always have our rights. It's the power those rights give us that is being destroyed. It is the power those arms give us that help keep us free. It's the power of those arms that despots, tyrants, dictators, and other megalomaniacal ideologists need to deprive us of before they can place themselves in the position of master - using the power of the arms they will always have.

We need those arms and the power they give us to remain free. We'll always have the right to them, but deprived of those arms is to be deprived of the power to fend off those despots, tyrants, dictators, and other megalomaniacal ideologists. Though we'll always have the right to arms, we must never allow them to be taken away nor allow anyone to interfere with our acquisition of them. Knowing the past, I'll not surrender any arms and march less prepared into the future. I shall always strive to acquire more.

We must always be equally or better armed than those we place in power.

Don't forget training.

Woody
 
Stockholm syndrome is rampant in this country. Many people will automatically side with the percieved authorities even when it is in their best interest not to.
 
We can not be equally or better armed than those we place in power, because they took that from us. Look at them, they have an army at their command with fully-automatic rifles, machineguns, what have you. We are relegated to bolts and semi's, with a "select few" NFA owners. If the scenario required, theoretically, we'd probably be the better shots, but who's going to risk taking the better shot if our heads are hunkered down by automatic fire?

This is all hypothetical, but you see where I'm going with this. We can not, statistically and logically speaking, be better armed than those we give power.
 
^^^ Worse yet is the folks trained to use those weapons are, more often than not, indoctrinated to use them against anyone challenging big brother.
 
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