Rantings on the 2A Issues

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^ Well, the troops in Egypt were conditioned to be like that and the troops in Libya were conditioned to be like that. I think that most of our soldiers would not fire upon their own people.
 
challenging big brother.
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This bothered me, Mike. It's nothing against you, of course.
Last time I checked, the job was "protect the Constitution", not "protect the government." Also, the phrase "foreign and domestic" comes to mind. It's pretty sad, really. I hope someone way high up in the military is as freedom-loving as those of us on this forum, so that when the government really starts throwing crap at everyone, the army will do its job.
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My thoughts and worries exactly.
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Yet there are several million retired military who, while may be a bit long in the tooth, ALL took the OATH, meant it and never "UN-took it" if ya know what I mean. Look to them. Seriously.

Use the ballot box, use the soap box but always remember this: Freedom and Liberty are scary and not everyone's cup o tea. Not all the colonists wanted that freedom or liberty or even deserved it perhaps. Their spawn have grown as have the Sons of Liberty crowd (witness the recent TEA Party gatherings).

Personally, I think you picked the right crowd and the correct passion. Now spread the joy. And maybe get some training classes under your belt. You meet like minded fellows and better yourself in the process. Same may be said for competition events. Or training newbies.
 
Unregistered possession of the nations service rifle, the M16 carries a ten year prison sentence. Is this what the Founding Fathers had in mind when they adopted the 2A?
 
Well Owen Sparks we are on the same page. Let me go further and ask why does the NRA and members of this and other forums always preface a shooting incidente with "legal firearm". When at the turn of the century a person getting out of prison was given his firearm back.
Why do people apply for permission to carry a firearm? When it is our God given right to protect ourselves?
So how many here actually practice the true intent of the 2d Amendment? Please only answer to yourselves and don't reply here.
I tore up my membership to the NRA when they said that they "could live with the 1968 gun control laws".
Charlton Heston in the 1960's went on TV in California and said that people don't need AK-47's or any other assult rifles.
Also notice what he held in his hand when he said "from my cold dead hands" or words to that affect.
We, as Americans, have allowed this government to pass laws that 100 yrs. ago would not of even been brought up for a vote.
The true meaning and putting it into practice of the 2d Amendment begins with that person starring back at you and me in the mirror.
We need to not be afraid of the conscequences and put into practice what the true meaning of what the 2d Amendment means.
 
It's rediculous what this country has become, that we, as legal firearms owners, suffer, bend over backwards for the sheeple who are simply afraid of firearms. We shouldn't be pressed upon if someone is afraid. If they are so afraid, they can stay away! That's as simple as it gets!

You get people whining and crying because "there's a guy with a gun, he's walking into my store, OMG!!!" When the man clearly has it holstered, carrying it in a non-threatening way.

People need to get over somethings. We shouldn't have these restrictions on our 2A. The only reason they're there is because someone fears. The cowards. It's almost like that kid in 2nd grade that no one likes, who is always tattling on the other kids doing something that's totally harmless, but the kid thinks is wrong or dangerous.
 
I wish the NRA would stop with all the political anti-Obama stuff and concentrate on fixing things like the 68 GCA and the stupid "sporting purpose" stuff.
 
In regards to the people vs. the government, we do have numbers on our side and I would also think superior combined resources. Success would depend on how willing people were to stand firm and not be oppressed.
 
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Iramo94 said:
This bothered me, Mike. It's nothing against you, of course.
Last time I checked, the job was "protect the Constitution", not "protect the government." Also, the phrase "foreign and domestic" comes to mind. It's pretty sad, really. I hope someone way high up in the military is as freedom-loving as those of us on this forum, so that when the government really starts throwing crap at everyone, the army will do its job.
/end rant.
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No worries Iramo94. I hope you're right. My concern is many of those who take an oath to defend the Constitution have no idea what that means. They're good people but they're taught to fight and follow orders.
 
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My concern is many of those who take an oath to defend the Constitution have no idea what that means. They're good people but they're taught to fight and follow orders.
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This is the text book definition of my cousin. He will follow any order his CO gives him, and was assigned to bomb clean up in Afghanistan, and just got back last year. He did a lot of stupid <deleted> because his CO said so.
 
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This thread seems to be drifting between ignorance of the general population and willful anti gun action on the part of the government. Personally I think it all starts with the people. Ignorance is the right word. There are a whole lot of people who have never even held a gun, and this group has for the most part never really even thought about the issue in a meaningful way. They're just knee jerk reactors. Gun control doesn't affect their lifestyle, so who cares? Sure, let's get rid of guns.

The good news is that there is a large group of antis who IMO can change their opinion with education. They are not married to anti gun ideology, they're just mentally lazy, or just too caught up in their own lives to really get informed. Let's educate them!
 
Said by General Tso: I wish the NRA would stop with all the political anti-Obama stuff and concentrate on fixing things like the 68 GCA and the stupid "sporting purpose" stuff.
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You and your chicken are winning! What I want is four things.

#1: No more sporting purpose. I have more reason to use a gun than just polish my fine motor control.
#2: No more GCA 68. End the FFL system; it's a scam. Reallow foreign MG's into the market.
#3: No more FOPA 86. Open the MG registry.
#4: End all Assault Weapons laws. I've never heard of a gangsta robbing a 7-11 with an AR.
 
As a gun loving Liberal, I agree that either the NRA goes after the actual gun restrictions or else just comes out and openly states that their PAC is for the gun manufacturers first and rights second. After that they should take back the CMP and get back to basics, getting citizens trained to hit a man sized target at 100 yards with iron sights. :)

As far as those who have sworn an oath, I fear that they are much more afraid of Bubba in Leavenworth Prison than breaking their oath. Then again, the last MOH recipient that was at his own ceremony got it for disobeying a bad order so there is still hope. :)
 
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While I sympathize with the frustration of people on this site with many of our current elected and unelected rulers. It has been a long term problem, and not one that purely extends to our 2nd Amendment Rights.

Every part of our Constitution is under attack by people who are unsatisfied with our current society, and who seek to change society.

Many people fear the First Amendment right to Freedom of religion, the freedom to peaceably assemble, to petition Congress for redress of grievances, the freedom of the press.

The Forth and Fifth Amendments have repeatably been under attack by various authorities, the use of "no knock" warrants served in the middle of the night strike me as particularly obnoxious, also the seizure of property without a hearing, (drug forfeiture and related seizures).

There currently isn't a single Article of the Bill of Rights, with the possible exception of the Third, which is not under attack by "Progressive" opponents of the Constitution.

There are plans and attempts to seize control of the Internet, all for the "good" of course, limit the political free speech with "Election Campaign laws", impose what kind of car we can drive, light bulb, shower head, and toilet we can use.

All of which would have had the Founding Fathers gathering muskets and talking revolution.

We often forget that the Founding Fathers attempted to limit government, realizing it was a two edge sword. It could do great good and great evil. Sometimes we have a tendency to give away political power to groups who promise "a chicken in every pot", "crime prevention", "freedom from poverty", "war on drugs" and "Affordable Health Care", without looking at what it means to our freedoms and rights.
 
I went from puzzlement to outrage to grim determination to counter this irrational position in 1993. Most of us are long past outrage.
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When I first got interested in 2nd Amendment issues in the '60s in grammar school, it was like Stalingrad. We were fighting for sheer survival.

Now, it's Iwo Jima. There's not much doubt about the outcome. We know what needs to be done. We know how to do it. We just have to resolve to stick things out to their final conclusion.
 
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While I sympathize with the frustration of people on this site with many of our current elected and unelected rulers. It has been a long term problem, and not one that purely extends to our 2nd Amendment Rights.

Every part of our Constitution is under attack by people who are unsatisfied with our current society, and who seek to change society.

Many people fear the First Amendment right to Freedom of religion, the freedom to peaceably assemble, to petition Congress for redress of grievances, the freedom of the press.

The Forth and Fifth Amendments have repeatably been under attack by various authorities, the use of "no knock" warrants served in the middle of the night strike me as particularly obnoxious, also the seizure of property without a hearing, (drug forfeiture and related seizures).

There currently isn't a single Article of the Bill of Rights, with the possible exception of the Third, which is not under attack by "Progressive" opponents of the Constitution.

There are plans and attempts to seize control of the Internet, all for the "good" of course, limit the political free speech with "Election Campaign laws", impose what kind of car we can drive, light bulb, shower head, and toilet we can use.

All of which would have had the Founding Fathers gathering muskets and talking revolution.

We often forget that the Founding Fathers attempted to limit government, realizing it was a two edge sword. It could do great good and great evil. Sometimes we have a tendency to give away political power to groups who promise "a chicken in every pot", "crime prevention", "freedom from poverty", "war on drugs" and "Affordable Health Care", without looking at what it means to our freedoms and rights.
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To be honest, most of the attacks on the 4th and 5th were started with the War on Drugs, which is defiantely not a Liberal issue. The real threat to our rights under the Constitution is from those who currently have the power and wealth in this country to make changes that are against the spirit and word of the Constitution and they own both parties. They are the ones that hide from public view; the Koch brothers and their John Birch Society money as well as Soros on the left. There are more, but not too many, really.

Don't get distracted by the puppets, watch the body attached to the arm that is protruding from the puppets. With some potential exceptions, none of us here are members of the 1% that control 30-40% of the wealth of this country.
 
I like to read a good heated debate between people who are passionate about what they believe.

Please make sure personal attacks don't bleed into this. Attack the argument, not the person, or the thread won't survive.

Thanks for your help.
 
I did not start this thread to have members attack each other, thank you TexasRifleman, for getting to that point first.

I agree with what everyone is saying so far. We have so many problems that need fixing in this country, it's almost like we don't know where to start. Our economic deficiencies would probably be fixed if we, as a conglomerate, kept our jobs in the United States instead of outsourcing. Sure, it's a little more costly, but would you rather have people who're proud to do what they do and do a darned good job at it? Or would you rather pay pennies on the dollar per hour for something that's hit or miss?

I was under the impression through my American History class in high school that we were initially intended to be an isolationist country. Why aren't we now? Why haven't we been in close to 100 years? It seems that we've always had the need to be in the other country's business, without fully grasping the problems with our own. We're out "saving the world" when we should be saving ourselves.

This goes hand in hand that most countries don't like us, because at the same time, we jump into conflicts around the world trying to resolve them, when we've got nothing to do with them, and if we do resolve a conflict, one side of the discrepancy usually gets short changed in some ways. The way we help out the Isreali people (I'm not complaining here, they've become one of our best allies) irritates and stirs the pot of the Muslims who dislike the Jewish peoples. We westerners took away land from the Palestinians to give to the Jews, and that made things hairy for a while, which it really hasn't gotten terribly much better. They're STILL having the occasional skirmish over there, and in the wrong Muslim's eyes, we're zionist infidels not worthy of life.

Is it me, or would most of out problems be manageable if we were to have kept to ourselves?

(*** Pearl Harbor is pretty much drove us to WW2, and the elimination of Hitler was a necessity. I'm glad we participated in that war.)
 
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