Rantings on the 2A Issues

[TexasRifleman]

Difficult to do I know, but we also have to leave party politics out.

We'll all have to work together to keep this discussion going

 

[ErikO]

ACk, got cut off in mid-reply.

Those are valid points. As far as the Koches, Soros and thier ilk, we really don't know what they have done; their ability to obfuscate their money trail makes this difficult. The effects are easy to see - a lack of accountability for those 'job creators' that have yet to do so in this country in any numbers greater than the Feds have and using tax dollars as a weapon against those who need to have them spent on them in times of emergency.

The bigger issue of the War on Drugs has been the Executive Office's encroachment on the 4th and 5th amendments from both sides of the party, with the red side of the party having the most tenure on the problem and teh bigger problem of the SCOTUS ruling that being accused of certain crimes cancels out a person's access to their 4th and 5th amendment rights. And then there's the (un)Patriot Act...

If you took my last post as an attack, I appologize. I'm just trying to chase away some shadows as your last post has done as well. This is why open discourse amonst Americans is so hard to do these days, 'They' are trying to keep us at each other's throats as opposed to being able to compare notes so their grasp of power doesn't collapse or worse.

 

[LJ-MosinFreak-Buck]

ErikO, IMHO, This:

This is why open discourse amonst Americans is so hard to do these days, 'They' are trying to keep us at each other's throats as opposed to being able to compare notes so their grasp of power doesn't collapse or worse.

I applaud you.

And this could go in the direction of 2A issues as well. Thoughts?

 

[ErikO]

And yes, my post makes less sense with the other replies missing as well...

 

[ErikO]

Yeah, my 'pet project' these days is trying to break down the walls between Liberals and Conservatives to get REAL pressure exerted from a RKBA stance. This is something that needs to be much more than just 'Republicans Good, Democrats Bad' typical arguement about Gun Restriction laws. Good Sense =/= Common Sense when gun laws come in.

Honestly, the FUD from the NRA-ILA is doing it's job to keep chewing on the heels of the folks in Congress to Not Infringe, but it also works to silence those like myself that don't feel that it's a 'liberal's fault' that these bad laws make in into discussion let alone onto the books. Their saber-waving did great things for Olin, Federal and several other ammo and componant manufacturers in '08, why can't they use that power to bring ALL gun owners into the discussion?

It's a shame that groups like Pink Pistols and the LGC need to exists to ensure 'buy-in' from 'non-standard' gun owners and shooting enthusiasts.

 

[LJ-MosinFreak-Buck]

What is shameful is that our Congressmen and persons of "power" could forget our Constitution so easily, and pass these rediculous laws and restrictions. It's not just today, or the Clinton administration, but the NFA of 34, 68, and 86 as well.

The sheer lack of sense in all these laws, ie requiring a dealer to report 5 transfers within a specific period to a person to the authorities... IT'S NOT THEIR RIGHT TO KNOW! We, as "free peoples" of the United States have the right to privacy, as well as the right to keep and bear arms, and that itself should be self-evident that no restrictions should be resonably placed on firearm ownership

 

[Neverwinter]

I agree with what everyone is saying so far. We have so many problems that need fixing in this country, it's almost like we don't know where to start.

The reason that it is difficult to know where to start is because of the inertia that the current prevailing interests have. When they use a false flag astroturf movement like the Tea Party against us, their warfare is more evident.

From the supporters who have been brainwashed into believing that unlimited campaign contributions should be protected free speech, to being misled into thinking that Net Neutrality is the government taking control of the internet, the corporate motivations surge there despite peripherally being associated with RKBA. They want the pro-gun support to bolster their numbers, when it isn't part of their core motivations.

It's that delusion regarding the campaign contributions which is self-destructive, since it limits meaningful change in the ability of the people to interact with their elected government.

 

[LJ-MosinFreak-Buck]

Good point. Anyone try to convince the politicians that what they're doing isn't working?

 

[TexasRifleman]

OK I guess the warnings to avoid party political terms and conversations didn't take.

Sorry, this one has to stop.