The auction: http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=2020845
Everyone has a hi point carbine... but what about single-shot
parabellum rifles?
I just thought i´d share
cheers, Mp7,
Rare (?): A single-shot 9mm Rifle
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The auction: http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=2020845
Everyone has a hi point carbine... but what about single-shot
parabellum rifles?
I just thought i´d share
cheers, Mp7,
matt87
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There's a lot of 9mm cartridges in the world, what makes you think that it's 9x19mm? This for example is a popular European hunting round: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9.3x62mm
MD_Willington
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Neat looking rifle. IIRC Sears had a 9mm shot gun for gardeners...
gvnwst
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Dude. 67 euros. Wonder what international shipping would be... Sehr nettes Gewehr.
Sehr nettes Gewehr.
Loyalist Dave
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What about 9mm Mauser, or the 9mm Steyr?
LD
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Acera
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My attempt at translation is pathetic, but here is what I got:
It has rifle sights, not unusual even for the smooth bores. My 9mm rimfire shotgun looks just like a rifle, it even has a hooded front sight. I don't know if it is a centerfire or a rimfire. You can still find 9mm rimfire sometimes here, Fiochi usually makes it.
It has rifle sights, not unusual even for the smooth bores. My 9mm rimfire shotgun looks just like a rifle, it even has a hooded front sight. I don't know if it is a centerfire or a rimfire. You can still find 9mm rimfire sometimes here, Fiochi usually makes it.
Jim Watson
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The illustrated rifle is a Warnant System ("trapdoor") Flobert. I have seen a lot of them in 9mm rimfire shot. At one time there was a 9mm rimfire slug or ball load and I suspect that is what this little gun was meant for. It is nowhere near strong enough for 9mm Para or other modern pistol cartridge.
This particular gun looks like it has been refinished, stock and steel both.
This particular gun looks like it has been refinished, stock and steel both.
Johnnypi45
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It looks to me, and please please believe me, i am not an expert or claim to know anything about this firearm other than the pics, that this is a shotgun. While it does have rifle-esque sights, i believe the above poster as far as the commonality of this phenomena.
My opinion on this is based on two observations:
1. The stock. From a completely observational status, this stock looks extremely like that of European shotguns (with the exception of the "pistol" style grip). Notice the short fore guard. It seems to me that if this were a rifle (as seems also be the European style) it would have a longer fore grip.
2. Check out the picture of the muzzle crown. I may just be missing them, or they may just be very shallow, but i can find no lands/grooves while looking "down" the barrel.
Ok folks, have at disproving me...i'm just putting my observations out there. Thanks!
Petey
My opinion on this is based on two observations:
1. The stock. From a completely observational status, this stock looks extremely like that of European shotguns (with the exception of the "pistol" style grip). Notice the short fore guard. It seems to me that if this were a rifle (as seems also be the European style) it would have a longer fore grip.
2. Check out the picture of the muzzle crown. I may just be missing them, or they may just be very shallow, but i can find no lands/grooves while looking "down" the barrel.
Ok folks, have at disproving me
...i'm just putting my observations out there. Thanks!Petey
Johnnypi45
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Double post......sorry folks
and it appears Watson has beat me to it, and has a VAST amount of greater actual knowledge. I'd go with him
and it appears Watson has beat me to it, and has a VAST amount of greater actual knowledge. I'd go with him
rcmodel
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I agree with Jim Watson.
Definately a Flobert, probably a rimfire 9mm, definately very low powered, and certainly not a 9mm Luger chambering.
Since it does have rifle sights, I would go with the bulleted ball load rifle.
They are, or were, very common in Europe a century ago for informal target shooting and chasing pests out of the garden.
That one right there has been ruined by a modern high-polish blue & stock refinish job.
rcmodel
Definately a Flobert, probably a rimfire 9mm, definately very low powered, and certainly not a 9mm Luger chambering.
Since it does have rifle sights, I would go with the bulleted ball load rifle.
They are, or were, very common in Europe a century ago for informal target shooting and chasing pests out of the garden.
That one right there has been ruined by a modern high-polish blue & stock refinish job.
rcmodel
Interesting input, guys!
Well, some luck B...... got it for like 100$.
That sure is a very beautyful ..eh... firearm( )
for that price. I love the looks!
Wouldn´t it be great to have a slender gun like that for
a caliiber like 7.65 x 25 Tok?
(of course built strong enuff to stomach the pressure....)
Well, some luck B...... got it for like 100$.
That sure is a very beautyful ..eh... firearm(
)for that price. I love the looks!
Wouldn´t it be great to have a slender gun like that for
a caliiber like 7.65 x 25 Tok?
(of course built strong enuff to stomach the pressure....)
Acera
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Congratulations on your purchase Mp7.
Is this your first cartridge firearm?
The good news is that you will probably find ammo for it a lot easier than we do here in the states.
Now if there is a way to get it to Texas, I would pay you a little more than you paid, if you want to make a profit, LOL
For others interested, here is a link to a 9mm semi auto shotgun for sale.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=118144772
Is this your first cartridge firearm?
The good news is that you will probably find ammo for it a lot easier than we do here in the states.
Now if there is a way to get it to Texas, I would pay you a little more than you paid, if you want to make a profit, LOL
For others interested, here is a link to a 9mm semi auto shotgun for sale.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=118144772
Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
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Wow, that's a bizarre beauty; thanks.
gvnwst
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How hard is it to purcuse firearms in Germany? I was told as a child (German mother) that guns are pratically impossible for a civie to get, has the law changed?
..Hmm... unfortunately ( especially for ME ) it´s a misunderstanding:
Some lucky Bastar* got it for like 100$ ... not me.
To get a WBK ( weapons owner card ) u must pass a not-so-easy
hunters test, or be a sportshooter.
Both has to do with meeting in a club full of idiots
and socialising with them in order to get the "stamp"
that suddenly makes you responsible enuff to actually
buy stuff.
But even then - without a collectors license.... you are limited.
(i thought about it.... but the nerd-factor of german hunting society
or sportshooters just grosses me out.....)
Some lucky Bastar* got it for like 100$ ... not me.
To get a WBK ( weapons owner card ) u must pass a not-so-easy
hunters test, or be a sportshooter.
Both has to do with meeting in a club full of idiots
and socialising with them in order to get the "stamp"
that suddenly makes you responsible enuff to actually
buy stuff.
But even then - without a collectors license.... you are limited.
(i thought about it.... but the nerd-factor of german hunting society
or sportshooters just grosses me out.....)
Acera
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Well Mp7, that is too bad. If you ever decide to change climate you would probably find that U.S. might be a good destination.
We too have gun clubs full of idiots, but you don't have to associate with them to exercise our rights of ownership in most parts of the nation.
We too have gun clubs full of idiots, but you don't have to associate with them to exercise our rights of ownership in most parts of the nation.
Acera
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Mp7 be sure you have a number of hours of free time when you do that, so we can hit the range also, for a proper evaluation.
It looks like a rifle to me. Not because I have any real knowledge about these guns, but if you look closely at the muzzle you can just barely see what look like lands and grooves inside the barrel.
If that thing sold for $100, it makes me wonder if a savvy buyer couldn't go over there and buy up a bunch of antique firearms and then resell them over here at a nice profit. Even in a totally oddball chambering like 9mm rimfire I would have probably sprung for it at that price.
If that thing sold for $100, it makes me wonder if a savvy buyer couldn't go over there and buy up a bunch of antique firearms and then resell them over here at a nice profit. Even in a totally oddball chambering like 9mm rimfire I would have probably sprung for it at that price.
rcmodel
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No need to go over there to find cheap Floberts.
Floberts are cheap everywhere!
http://www.auctionarms.com/search/displayitem.cfm?itemnum=8728422
http://www.auctionarms.com/search/displayitem.cfm?itemnum=8923718
http://www.auctionarms.com/search/displayitem.cfm?itemnum=8927760
http://www.gunsamerica.com/925340543/Guns/Rifles/Antique/Flobert_22_rimfire.htm
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=118286202
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=118114916
rcmodel
Floberts are cheap everywhere!
http://www.auctionarms.com/search/displayitem.cfm?itemnum=8728422
http://www.auctionarms.com/search/displayitem.cfm?itemnum=8923718
http://www.auctionarms.com/search/displayitem.cfm?itemnum=8927760
http://www.gunsamerica.com/925340543/Guns/Rifles/Antique/Flobert_22_rimfire.htm
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=118286202
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=118114916
rcmodel
Jim Watson
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A store near here had them literally stacked in the corners; must have had a hundred of the silly things. Many could have been refinished to look like the OP and would still have been a waste of money for $100. They are a weak design of cheap materials.
I think Mp7 was lucky to not have won that auction.
I think Mp7 was lucky to not have won that auction.
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