Rasmussen poll confirms Americans fear govt that fears guns

[eqfan592]

Here's the thing though Jim, you're assuming that Democrats and Liberals are one in the same. The democratic party is primarily center to center right, with only a small percentage of Democrats going center left (or I should say center lower left for those of us who have seen the political compass). They do not represent all liberals.

So with that in mind, 34% of dems are against more controls, and 53% of independents are against more controls. In that group, there is also a significant percentage of liberals (at least 50%, if not more), though the make up of pro/anti's may not be as evenly distributed.

So I would say that it's closer to 2 out of 5 liberals are pro gun, or are at least against further gun control.

Interestingly enough, on several liberal and Democrat forums I post on, it seems the number of anti's is waning. This could simply be that they aren't bothering to fight with the rest of us anymore when it comes to the various party platforms and issues, but who knows. Maybe some headway is being made now.

And you our correct in that I'm not trying to use this as a reason to vote for anti-gunners. I'm simply saying that, even though there ARE more conservative gun supporters than liberal gun supporters, we should avoid framing this as a conservative vs liberal issue, because when it comes right down to it, it's a anti-civil liberties vs pro-civil liberties issue, and I think we'll have an easier time building up an even stronger support base if we frame it that way.

 

[cyclopsshooter]

im left wing and i support the 2A- obama aint comin after the guns- right wingers read too much nutty news

and palin is as dumb as a box of rocks ppptthhhbbbttt...

 

[JImbothefiveth]

The democratic party is primarily center to center right, with only a small percentage of Democrats going center left (or I should say center lower left for those of us who have seen the political compass).

You have an odd definition of center-right. I guess that makes independents far-right and republicans –insanely-right. Face it, when polled, Democrats are the group that consistently has the most liberal views on all issues. I would say that makes them "liberals"

im left wing and i support the 2A- obama aint comin after the guns- right wingers read too much nutty news

Only if Obama campaign promises from the official Obama website count. Or who the Brady Campaign endorses.

and palin is as dumb as a box of rocks ppptthhhbbbttt...

Well, I don't know how to argue with this respectful, well-thought-out, scientifically verifiable argument, though I would like to see you run the biggest state in the nation and get the same approval ratings. I just know that partisan politics is off-topic.
(I think arguing liberal vs. conservative is okay though)

 

[eqfan592]

"You have an odd definition of center-right."

Actually, the US's common definition of "liberal" and "conservative" is what is unusually skewed when looked at on the world scale.

Take a look at this.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2008

And yes, that does make republicans far right, though not independents (because independents as a group are not all conservatives, not by any stretch of the imagination).

Democrats do not represent "the most liberal views" around, far from it. I, personally, am a former green party member (and you'll see their candidate down in the lower left). I personally have more in common with libertarians than I do many Democrats and almost all republicans, though I still disagree with them on other issues (they would be located in the lower right portion of that map.

EDIT: And "biggest state in the nation" is relative, as that is only speaking of land area, not population, which is the real key. They have a population of around the same size as the City of Milwaukee, but with a huge amount of natural resources. Honestly, Alaska is probably the easiest state in the union to manage, at least from a budget standpoint.

Though I do not wish to get into any sort of debate about her inelegance. I simply wanted to point the above out.

 

[cyclopsshooter]

biggest state in the nation ha! how hard is it to manage snow?

 

[JImbothefiveth]

Democrats do not represent "the most liberal views" around, far from it

Of the 3 major groups, republicans, independants, and Democrats, neither republicans or independants hold the msot liberal views. Therefore, it is the Democrats who are the most liberal of these groups.

Actually, the US's common definition of "liberal" and "conservative" is what is unusually skewed when looked at on the world scale.

The rest of the world is in general not gun friendly, and more socialistic than America. I don't care how center-right someone is when compared to North Korea. $30,000 a year would make you rich compared to some nations. Is someone in the U.S. who earns $30,000 a year rich? Since I'm talking U.S. politics, I'll stand by my statement that Democrats as a group are liberal.

biggest state in the nation ha! how hard is it to manage snow?

I don't know, I've never been governer. Tell you what, you run the biggest state in the nation and tell me how easy it is.

though not independents (because independents as a group are not all conservatives, not by any stretch of the imagination).

Compared to Democrats as a group, independants as a group are more conservative. If Democrats are center-right, that makes independants far-right.

 

[cyclopsshooter]

I don't know, I've never been governer

Thank god! I have seen your posts- Id rather vote for Palin...

 

[JImbothefiveth]

If you're going to use off-topic personal attacks, would you at least make them well-defined off-topic personal attacks? Which of my posts is it, the one about the NRA not being useless, the one about not shooting a fleeing person in the back for a VCR, or the caliber wars?

 

[eqfan592]

Jim, "Independents" are not a single group of primarily Conservative leaning people. The independent classification is an umbrella of people who fall into the extremes on both ends. Of the 3 groups, the Independents have the most "liberal" people, though maybe not the same number of people. If you want to stick purely to an American political scale, then simply shift the center point on the scale up and too the right.

And you're speaking to an Independent right now, and I can tell you that I'm further to the lower left than Gandhi on that scale. But I'm also an avid supporter of the 2nd Amendment.

Interestingly enough. Neither the Republicans nor the Democrats come even close to supporting civil liberties (and the 2a IS a civil liberty issue) on the same level when compared to people on the lower end of the scale.

 

[cyclopsshooter]

hahahah PALIN JUST RESIGNED

 

[eqfan592]

cyclo, there's really no need to be so rude and hostile simply because somebody doesn't agree with you. Just chill out man

 

[Larry Ashcraft]

Now you know why we don't allow political threads.

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