Thanks, what got me started on this kick is last weekend a buddy came over to do some shooting and had an 1895 mauser in 7x57. it was the first time I had ever shot one, what a SWEET rifle/round. I could not believe how accurate that thing was and the recoil was almost nil. I must have one, in the mean time sarco has short ring mauser barrels in 7x57 for 45 bucks. And i happen to have a 1916 in 308.