reads like centralized registration to me

[alan]

Re the above, and the JPFO alert below, my understanding possibly incorrect, is as follows. Existing federal law forbids the creation, operation or maintenance of any centralized registry of firearms and or their owners. It would appear that BATFE is "stretching" the law, AGAIN, or AS USUAL.


ALERT FROM JEWS FOR THE PRESERVATION OF FIREARMS OWNERSHIP
America's Aggressive Civil Rights Organization

November 4th 2009

JPFO ALERT: BATFE ACKNOWLEDGES A NATIONWIDE DATABASE OF GUN OWNERS.



"E-trace is a nationwide database maintained by the ATF that lists
a firearm's first purchaser, date of purchase and the retailer from
which it was purchased. The information is compiled from police
records of gun purchases provided by local departments, but until
today was only accessible by the ATF and the police department that
provided it." Read all of this article from August 2007 -
http://www.jpfo.org/articles-assd/etrace-nj.htm

We have been telling you about this long standing national
registration scheme -
http://www.jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/batfe-and-gunreg.htm . It's time
for every gun owner to to notify every politician in America that a
national registration of firearms will not be tolerated. You have
two choices - save the 2A or destroy it. It's up to you.


This alert, on JPFO -
http://www.jpfo.org/alerts03/alert20091104.htm

 

[Jeff White]

Since very few police departments maintain any records of first time gun purchases this is far from a nationwide database.

There is no federal requirement to forward a 4473 to a local PD when a gun leaves the dealer.

Fear mongering hype.....probably useful for fund raising, but in no way, shape or form is that a nationwide gun registration database...

 

[mp510]

Since very few police departments maintain any records of first time gun purchases this is far from a nationwide database.

There is no federal requirement to forward a 4473 to a local PD when a gun leaves the dealer.

Fear mongering hype.....probably useful for fund raising, but in no way, shape or form is that a nationwide gun registration database.

Depending on the state, this could effectively be a registry of all (or most) sales. In Connecticut, the state and local PD are notified of ALL retail sales and private pistol sales (as well as some private long gun sales).

 

[Z-Michigan]

There is no federal requirement to forward a 4473 to a local PD when a gun leaves the dealer.

No, but BATFE gets all those records when an FFL gives up their license (retiring or whatever) and for years there have been stories that they are making a computer database of all that info.

Also, I believe that BATFE can walk into any dealer they want and copy all or any part of their records. This isn't happening on a mass basis but there are reports of it happening in some cases.

 

[RP88]

^^^source on that?

Although it is within the realm of possibility, I'd like to know who said that.

I really don't see the ATF wasting the resources to go through an FFL's entire collection of forms and putting them into a computer database, let alone waste the time to actually attempt to keep all of those files.

 

[Jeff White]

Depending on the state, this could effectively be a registry of all (or most) sales. In Connecticut, the state and local PD are notified of ALL retail sales and private pistol sales (as well as some private long gun sales).

Ok, so Connecticut has gun registration. It's still not a nationwide program. Not even in Illinois are gun purchases reported to the police.

Read the title of the alert: JPFO ALERT: BATFE ACKNOWLEDGES A NATIONWIDE DATABASE OF GUN OWNERS.

This is patently untrue. They do not have a nationwide database of gun owners based on 4473s being forwarded to the local police. It's a scare tactic, a fund raising ploy to get you to open up your checkbook and send the JPFO money. That's all it is. I don't understand why our side feels the need to be as intellectually disingenuous as the other side. Aren't we smart enough to see through things like that, or are gun owners mindless automatons who run around screaming "The sky is falling, the sky is falling!!!" at every piece of fund raising propaganda put out by an RKBA group?