I am analyzing all my life and I find that I spend just too much time reading internet gun forums but at the same time I find that I really lack some real hard training with my guns. Everybody is an expert when it comes to guns and internet forums and everybody has his "humble" opinion but what about some real gun experts who live by teaching guns and shooting like: Rob Leatham, Clint Smith, Mossad Ayoob, Chuck Taylor etc.etc? Can we find them on-line, and at what gun forums? Or these guys just know what they know about weapons, have they own experience and don't need to ask so called "experts" about their experience with certain pistol and opinion? Are you there guys?
Real Gun Experts and Internet Forums
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Ayoob posts here sometimes. Pincus has also. Not sure about others. Stick around awhile. You'll start to be able to recognize who knows what. Also, seek training locally. My community (Twin Cities, MN) has its fair share of real-deal experts. In fact, I'm taking a class in defensive pistol tactics in a few weeks.
Ayoob posts here, and I think everyone you mentioned has written books and/or released DVDs or VHSs.
The problem with only looking at "Expert" opinions is that you are putting faith in the fact that these guys, or others, call themselves experts. Sure, I'll take Ayoob or Smith's opinion de facto over a randomly selected forum user if it comes to that, but the problem with stopping there is that their opinion may not apply to you.
You're best off looking at all opinions and just learning to think for yourself and sort the good from the bad as it applies to you.
The problem with only looking at "Expert" opinions is that you are putting faith in the fact that these guys, or others, call themselves experts. Sure, I'll take Ayoob or Smith's opinion de facto over a randomly selected forum user if it comes to that, but the problem with stopping there is that their opinion may not apply to you.
You're best off looking at all opinions and just learning to think for yourself and sort the good from the bad as it applies to you.
Like bensdad posted Massad Ayoob posts here sometimes he also has a blog at www.backwoodshome.com . There are a lot of articles & information available online & many times you will see them linked in posts on THR. If you want hands on training go get it & come back & share what you learned with us.
WoofersInc
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I have E-mailed Ayoob about something in a forum before and had him respond to me within 2 days. He does spend time in several on-line forums.
I have noticed that a viable "authority" is usually someone who is agreeable to your own views. 
Be that as it may, The High Road offers on an excellent opportunity to pick and choose who to believe or not, as the case may be. Can’t get much better then that.
Be that as it may, The High Road offers on an excellent opportunity to pick and choose who to believe or not, as the case may be. Can’t get much better then that.
UnclePete
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If you have training for a situation, there might not be any one right way to deal with it, experts in any field will disagree on things. The point is, if that situation ever arises you have a routine to fall into, and that has got to be better than paralysis.
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Anyone who claims to be an expert in firearms is BSing. There are no experts. We are all students.
Jim Watson
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Most of those people are pros and not in the habit of giving away free information as we hobbyists do. Selling their expertise is their living.
BADSBSNF81
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Best advice I ever got was for every firearm I bought, I should buy at least one book on that weapon/company. Doesn't make me an expert, but, in some areas I have accumulated enough experience/information to be a reasonably knowledgeable individual.
Hungry Seagull
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I am learning more about my weapons every day, so is the wife.
Shooting them on the range teaches you what you need to do to make weapon effective center mass.
Anything else is over my head. But I might offer a experience from living history or past times with or around guns of different eras.
An expert? no way.
Opinionated? Hell yes.
Moderated? Sometimes.
LOL.
Shooting them on the range teaches you what you need to do to make weapon effective center mass.
Anything else is over my head. But I might offer a experience from living history or past times with or around guns of different eras.
An expert? no way.
Opinionated? Hell yes.
Moderated? Sometimes.
LOL.
krs
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No you haven't.
Big Daddy Grim
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Just cuz people volunteer there opinions doesn't mean you have to follow it. I have gotten good info here and some not so good info, but I think you get that no matter where you go.
Straight Shooter
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In my humble opinion The benefit of a forum like THR is the sheer number of people here. If you want to get information and you ask people at the range or at the local gun shop you may get a couple of opinions but online you can get many different points of view that may help you make a decision or help to narrow your research or whatever the case may be.
The benefit of a forum like THR is the sheer number of people here. If you want to get information and you ask people at the range or at the local gun shop you may get a couple of opinions but online you can get many different points of view that may help you make a decision or help to narrow your research or whatever the case may be.WoofersInc
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LikeI said in my post. Mas Ayoob took the time to respond to a personal E-mail that I sent. I had a question that he answered in detail for me. No money involved at all for him. I have also been involved in some threads that he has partaken in on other forums and he has given out a lot of information without asking for any financial considerations.
I couldn't agree more. Weigh the advice against your own experience and common sense. Then make your own decision. There's a LOT of good information being shared on this forum and a lot that isn't so good. Sometimes separating it can be difficult.
Anyone who pronounces THEIR view as the ONLY option will not gain my confidence and it's unlikely that I'll ever give their opinions much consideration.
Maverick223
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The few times that I have seen Ayoob here at THR I have found him to be very frank and humble. I appreciate his input and his influence; but he, like everyone else, has opinions that may or may not be based upon factual evidence. And while I am more inclined to believe the thoughts and opinions of experts in the field than others, I do not always agree, I do however respect them. What I am trying to say is that no member will take the place of ones own judgment and experience.
Baneblade
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I read this post yesterday and thought about it for a while.
What constitutes a "real gun expert?" I realize that is rather subjective, but I don't think there is a real answer.
One thing I look for in an expert that I go to for advice is years of experience and where the experience came from.
What constitutes a "real gun expert?" I realize that is rather subjective, but I don't think there is a real answer.
One thing I look for in an expert that I go to for advice is years of experience and where the experience came from.
jpwilly
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Think of "Expert" as a grade level akin to college grad.
There are those who go on to earn their masters and even doctorate etc.
There are lots of "Experts" out there. Some are self taught others receive good amounts of professional training etc.
Bottom line we are all students but many of us aren't beginners.
There are those who go on to earn their masters and even doctorate etc.
There are lots of "Experts" out there. Some are self taught others receive good amounts of professional training etc.
Bottom line we are all students but many of us aren't beginners.
Fred Fuller
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Irfan,
Some nationally known trainers run their own websites, with discussion groups. There are some limited access or no anonymity fora, like 10-8 ( http://www.10-8forums.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php ). I know some nationally known trainers who just don't participate in 'open' fora any more, having gotten tired of being told by various folks that they didn't know what they were talking about. We've lost some folks here at THR in that way, unfortunately.
But there are some genuine pros out there on the web. And a few (not to name any names) simply hate computers and have nothing to do with them. Just look around, and see who you can find... the thread at http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=396584 might help you find some trainers, if not other fora.
lpl
Some nationally known trainers run their own websites, with discussion groups. There are some limited access or no anonymity fora, like 10-8 ( http://www.10-8forums.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php ). I know some nationally known trainers who just don't participate in 'open' fora any more, having gotten tired of being told by various folks that they didn't know what they were talking about. We've lost some folks here at THR in that way, unfortunately.
But there are some genuine pros out there on the web. And a few (not to name any names) simply hate computers and have nothing to do with them. Just look around, and see who you can find... the thread at http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=396584 might help you find some trainers, if not other fora.
lpl
bigger hammer
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An "expert" is a guy from out of town with a PowerPoint presentation. I've been one many times. The old saying goes, "You're never a hero in your hometown."
nwilliams
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What do you mean everyone on the internet isn't an expert!
The truth is you can't go to internet forums and hope to find the truth. Forums are simply a place where people can exchange ideas and opinions and maybe a few facts once in awhile. The way I see it forums are a starting point to get to the truth about something but the only way you are every going to find the whole truth is to do proper research.
There is a lot of good information one can gain from visiting forums the hard part is learning how to sift through all the BS to get the truth of something.
Also keep in mind that an "expert" is just someone who thinks they know more than everyone else.
The truth is you can't go to internet forums and hope to find the truth. Forums are simply a place where people can exchange ideas and opinions and maybe a few facts once in awhile. The way I see it forums are a starting point to get to the truth about something but the only way you are every going to find the whole truth is to do proper research.
There is a lot of good information one can gain from visiting forums the hard part is learning how to sift through all the BS to get the truth of something.
Also keep in mind that an "expert" is just someone who thinks they know more than everyone else.
kennedy
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Being an expert, only means you have a lot more data on a subject than anyone else. I own 7 egyption rasheeds, which gives me more examples to pull data from, than someone only owning one. I don`t consider my self an expert because every time I buy another rasheed I learn something more, but at least I can give a somewhat learned opinion when someone has a question.
Maverick223
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I',m a college grad...does that count? I in no way consider myself an expert...well with respect to firearms (especially pistols)...maybe on materials/construction/engineering...but there are a couple of people smarter than me (hard to believe I know...I still may be a bigger 5m@rt@$$ though
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I also agree that there are no experts, just people with better training or experiences than most.
I'll say that only a few Instructors/Trainers or otherwise 'Experts'
have a clue about CZs.
Those that I'm in contact with who do have some CZ knowledge
are the people that I respect highly.
They tend to have 'been there and done that" or have students
who have.
Normal people that carry guns daily in some very
dangerous places.
I'll say that only a few Instructors/Trainers or otherwise 'Experts'
have a clue about CZs.
Those that I'm in contact with who do have some CZ knowledge
are the people that I respect highly.
They tend to have 'been there and done that" or have students
who have.
Normal people that carry guns daily in some very
dangerous places.
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