Recipe check for .45ACP 230gr. FMJ please

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Hi, just recently got started reloading with a Lee Challenger single stage. Love it so far.

So, for my first handloads, i used .45ACP Berry's FMJ, Federal Champion brass (with small primer pocket), CCI small pistol primers, and Unique powder.

For a batch of 10, started with 5.5gr, and OAL of 1.20", and a .470" crimp. Do these seem too short?

For another batch, did 5.8gr, and increased OAL to 1.240"-1.260". Same crimp of .470" as before.

Chamber checked with my HK45, seems good...
 
The .470" crimp is fine.

The OAL is somewhat short. 230 FMJ typically runs 1.260.

6.0 plus or minus a few tenths Unique is a good load.
 
6.0 Unique is going to let you know it there. Just make sure you don't seat any less than 1.26" I seat my 45ACP RN to 1.275" and use 5.5g Unique, no crimp. 6.0g feels like military loads. With your 1.2" cartridges, you're getting a little high in the pressure area. If you find the gun likes to feed better with 1.2" OAL, it would be wise to back off a couple tenth's of a grain so you have a little margin in powder drops.
 
Thanks for the advice. I noticed the 1.2" to be a tad short. I will report back when I test fire them later this week.
 
When I work up a new load with a new bullet type, I load up 10 dummy rounds (no powder, no primers), with the lightest taper crimp I can manage. I start with 1.300" OAL (quite long), and then adjust the seater incrementally back in .005 until they chamber reliably.

When chambering make sure to lock the slide back, insert the magazine, and release via the slide lever to make sure it gets the maximum force. Don't baby it forward - this can work for or against you. Sometimes if you do it by hand, rounds will stovepipe when fed "hard and fast", sometimes it'll make a round that otherwise stovepipe "glide in". So, lock the slide back and drop the slide lever. That way all variables are removed.


After you go through a cycle of them, check the OAL again for setback, and any noticeable rifling marks (and keep in mind, difficult extraction is a key indicator that you're seating your bullet IN to the lands, which isn't good). If you find any setback, it's pretty likely that your taper crimp is off. Each time you deepen the seating on your dummy rounds, the taper crimp will be applied to a "fresh" part of the bullet and it should have plenty of grip for additional testing.

When you're done, if the bullets are deformed (possible due to crimping), might want to discard them. :)

This also works for multiple firearms in the same caliber - just run the same batch through all of them. If it works for one, it may not in another. Sometimes you can't keep them all happy at once. (I.e. I have some loads with truncated cone bullets that feed in everything EXCEPT a Springfield XD45). If you have multiple handguns and find a scenario like that, when you load it, mark on each box "NOT FOR XXXX" - even if it's safe to run through it, you don't want your range practice ruined with FTF drills. (Well, MAYBE you do!).

Anyway, the logic behind the practice above is it will give you reliable cycling with the most case capacity. If your firearm is designed for +P loads, and you are adventurous enough to play a hair beyond max, that extra capacity could come in handy if you are using Unique...

(Note, I regularly run all of my loads at max in 45 ACP, and have gone a tad beyond on occasion, but everyone has to make their own decisions on risk vs. reward, and whether your firearm will stand up to it. I also have loaded and shot 40,000 45ACP reloads with Unique. I'm currently cautiously working up loads in Bullseye because it's quite a bit more potent of a powder!)
 
I also have loaded and shot 40,000 45ACP reloads with Unique.
How did you determine what the pressure was?

Most .45 ACP guns & all .45 ACP brass will give up well before 40,000 PSI is reached.

That is higher then factory proof load pressure by about double!

rc
 
RC, I think he meant he has loaded 40,000 rounds of 45 not to 40,000 psi. I haven't loaded many 45 yet but have started and have used 5.5 gr Unique and 230 gr round nose and up to 6.0. The 6 gr seem pretty stout. Also going to try some 200 gr round nose.
 
Load FMJ's to 1.26".

6 grains of Unique is a warm load, but not a hot one...that HK will handle it just fine.

And whatever you do...don't go over what the manuals list as MAX with Bullseye. There comes a point when pressures skyrocket...and a lil bullet setback can cause catastrophic failure.
 
I have found that my Springfield XD in 45 really likes a RN or an RNFP with 6 grains of Unique. Not sure of my OAL at the moment but it is usually right in were the book says.
 
I've loaded a few thousand .45ACP with Unique. Usually I'm at 5.8 but have loaded up to 6.2. My OAL is 1.25 and everything feeds and functions great in my 1911 as well as a buddy's HK.
 
I tested my first hand loads today, and was quite pleased with the results. The 1.20" OALs with 5.5gr to start were a little soft.

I could definitely tell the difference with the 5.8grs and 1.26" OALs I did on a second batch. I think I like the 1.26" length better!

Per the advice here, I slammed the slide on a couple rounds, even the short ones, measured the setback and seemed within specs.

I also tested some crimped and uncrimped ones. All 100 hand loads fed perfectly. No stovepipes, or FTFs.

I think I am in love with my new found hobby lol.

I had a box of factory Aguila ammo, and my loads felt better.

I also think I like the CCI small pistol primers as they're much easier to clean the primer pocket and to prime with the Lee XR Autoprime.

Now I need a Chrony.
 
Recently I loaded up 400 rounds of .45 acp with 230grain lead round nose with 4.0grains of Bullseye at 1.200" OAL for my Kimber custom. I have been having a lot of problems with failure to feed and stovepiping, so I loaded as short a load as I had in a manual. All of them fed quite well and I was able to diagnose a bad magazine to boot. I think the recoil is as soft as I would want to go, think it was just under white box ammo in feel, as I thought I heard a weak sound in the slide mechanism. I will load with a different powder and try to give them a little more punch. I purchased some of Berry's plated and look forward to seeing what those do.
 
4895,
That's a good load, BUT your OAL is awful short. With a 230 RNL you should be at about 1.240". Adjust your OAL and you might have better results.
 
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1.400" OAL for 230 gr RN? That's exceeding SAAMI max of 1.275" OAL.

I have typically used 1.25"-1.26" OAL for 230 gr RN ...


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Correct. Should have read 1.240". I edited it. I typically use 1.240 for RNL and 1.260 for FMJ. The ogive on FMJ is a bit more tapered, less stubby, making for a somewhat longer bullet, usually.
 
How did you determine what the pressure was?

Most .45 ACP guns & all .45 ACP brass will give up well before 40,000 PSI is reached.

That is higher then factory proof load pressure by about double!

rc

RC.... not PSI.

Number of rounds.

And, this is just an estimate, by the way. I started with a 50 lb keg (and finally ran out last year). I know that about 20% was loaded in 9mm (don't shoot as much 9mm). So, no exact figures on # of 45ACP rounds loaded with Unique, but "somewhere around 40,000".

Keep in mind that's spread out over a decade, so it's not THAT much shooting, really.
 
I think I am in love with my new found hobby lol.

You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile! :D

I also think I like the CCI small pistol primers as they're much easier to clean the primer pocket and to prime with the Lee XR Autoprime.

I have a pretty good stash of SPP .45ACP brass, mostly Federal non toxic. I like the fact that if there is another Great Primer Drought I'll have the option of running SRP if SPP aren't available.

I've loaded up a couple batches with SPP and they work just fine. And the NT range pickups are so clean they almost don't need any tumbling at all.
 
PS - My favored 45 185gr load w/ Unique was 6.0 for target practice. I loaded 6.2 on pin shoots / IPSC.

My defense loads were quite "hot". Won't list them because the disclaimer ain't on this thread.
 
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