Recommend a FAL...

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Looking at the FAL... seems there are several types. Read many posts here.

DSA @ $1500+ Seems highly recommended but quite pricey. Most here recommend a DSA, but that's a lot of coin...

Imbel @$900 Seems more reasonably priced and of high quality.

L1A1 @ $700 Not sure what these are all about. Are these Century builds?

Century @$600+ Nobody seems to recommend these.


What are the desireable options: Folding stock, folding charging handle? Metric vs. Universal mags? Sites?
 
1. DSA. Well worth the money.
2. Imbel as long as it is not a parts kit assembled by drunk monkeys
3. L1A1 is the Inch pattern rifle. Original examples are rather collectible. Inch parts are a bit tougher to come by.
4. Century. Had one. Had...

Folding stock on a FAL makes it WAY nose heavy. Go for the full stock and if length is a concern get a shorter barrel. I believe the folding charging handle, L1A1 feature, can be used on a metric rifle. I never had an issue with the standard charging handle. Metric mags are still not all the expensive and can be had easily with a bit of looking around. I have not seen the Universal mags so I am not sure. Sights, get the Hampton lower from DSA if you can. It uses a standard AR15 rear sight set up, you can use any AR15 match sights or night sights, which is far better than the stock FAL sights.
 
I've been out of the game for a while, but I'm guessing Springfield SAR-4800s are no longer available. I purchased mine in '97 and it's the only FAL I have direct experience with.

I'd certainly recommend Springfield SARs to anyone if they're found at a decent price!
 
I believe the 'metric' may be the 'universal' as, if my memory is right, the Argentinians found that inch pattern don't work in metric, but the brits could use the Argentinian metric mags in their L1A1's
 
THe Metric pattern ones have better/more adjustable sights. Neither one is as good as, say, an M-14's sights though.

They make FAL's in all varieties. As far as what is most desireable, I suppose that depends on what you want it for. If you want a flamethrower that is deafening and telegraphs your position with a massive muzzle flash and has a reduced max effective range, then the 16" or 18" barreled versions are for you.

If you want to be tacticool or to jump out of airplanes with it or shoot it "gangsta style," then the folding stock models are for you.

If you want a no-nonsense battle rifle that is effective to around 800 yards if you do your part, then the regular plain jane 22" barreled metric pattern FAL is for you.

Just my .02 worthless fiat currency units.
 
The OP really needs to include some links to the guns he is asking about.

I'm really interested to know where the $900 IMBEL is coming from.
Is this the gun sold by DSA: an IMBEL kit built a DSA receiver?

I prefer IMBEL receivers over DSA receivers.

Of course there are NO QUANTITIES OF NEW IMBEL RECEIVERS in circulation.
That's why I'm puzzled.

...and pet peeve: "sites"

Come on, it takes one whole extra keystroke to spell it right: "sights."
 
Yeah, damn presidents and congress getting in the way of all the fun

That Said.

Had one, for all of 5 minuets in Iraq, (I found the hole the buried it in, well with the help of the truck 2 mi away that kept eyes on as the rest of the platoon moved in)

I twas nice, still in cosmoline, but we had to give it to the MP's. Didn't make up for not getting to kick a door, but thats a medics life.
 
Um... How about FN? Call me kooky but I generally prefer the original.

If the OP thinks the DSA price point is kind of high, I'd think FN would be right out.

On the other options, I own a DSA carbine and a full sized Century. Both run fine, with the DSA being significantly nicer. Century put out some really botched FALs along the way, but the good part about the issues with them is that the topic has been hashed out so thoroughly that you should be able to do a bit of research and figure out exactly what to look for. If you're buying a rifle in person from a gun store with a return policy, personally I wouldn't have an issue with a Century. Buying sight unseen off Gunbroker and shipped to your local FFL, I'd have reservations.
 
or shoot it "gangsta style,"
Hey thanks for that. The folding stock serves far more purpose than shooting "gangsta style", whatever that is. The folding stock allows it to be placed in a smaller case or stored more easily in some conditions. And no serious shooter is going to fire it from the hip more than one mag for fun. It is a waste of ammo, and shooting a 308 with the stock folded from a traditional stance will lead to black eyes and worse.
Just my .02 worthless fiat currency units
Indeed.
 
The "IMBEL" FALs sold by Atlantic are Entreprise Arms guns - mostly IMBEL parts assembled by Entreprise onto an Entreprise receiver (cast type III). They are OK but not a recommendation. The comparable DSA guns are far better for pennies more.

Assuming leadcounsel doesn't specifically want a collectible, the FAL search begins and ends with DSA-assembled guns. DSA receivers are the best currently in production, and arguably the best ever made (they are drop-forged, through hardened 4140 steel in type I and II variants; original type I and II receivers were drop-forged 1060 steel only hardened in certain areas). DSA is currently offering three flavors:
1) SA-58, 100% new US-made parts, most expensive
2) STG-58, mishmash of surplus Austrian parts and some other surplus parts (lately Inch type bolts and carriers) with US furniture and compliance parts. Usually in the $1100-1200 range. DSA is running out of Austrian parts and will probably discontinue this model soon if they haven't already.
3) DSA's "IMBEL" FAL, which is an IMBEL parts kit assembled by DSA onto a DSA receiver, again with US furniture and other US compliance parts. These seem to be only $1000 or so.

I own examples of all three, as well as some other FALs. I would most highly recommend either the STG-58 or the DSA IMBEL. Both are high quality guns, with a significant amount of military-issued, military-quality parts, properly reassembled and also refinished and looking like new or close. DSA's IMBEL currently has original IMBEL hammer-forged, chrome-lined barrels, which is a big plus (those barrels are somewhat used and only in VG to excellent condition, however, with my example being only VG in my view).

The SA-58 is a good gun, but you're paying extra for having all new US-made parts, few if any of which are actually better than good military surplus parts (they may be equally good, but not better). The main reason to go the SA-58 route would be if you want a special configuration that's not available in the STG or IMBEL flavors.

My absolute favorite of every FAL I've handled is an STG-58 18" carbine, which is very handy and well balanced without being too short to make use of the .308 cartridge.

I personally prefer the metric pattern for general use, and recommend you get one that takes metric mags (some guns are L1A1 parts assembled onto a metric receiver, which works fine but is obviously not authentic as a reproduction).

Most "L1A1" rifles are Century assembled of unknown quality. A few are home or gunsmith builds and may be nice, and fewer still are truly authentic originals ($$$$$$). I would not get an L1A1 unless after research you are positive that's what you want, because the metric pattern is far more common, easier to get parts for and, IMHO, better in ergonomics.

Check out this website for some DSA options:
http://www.usmadefal.com/onorder.htm

also check out Gunbroker but focus only on "new" DSA products, anything else requires you to know quite a bit about what you're looking at to avoid making a mistake.
 
It's also worth noting that there are three different receiver styles, Type I, II and III.

The original had lightening cuts, but was prone to crack at the rear particularly when a lot of full auto fire was used.

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The type II has a reinforcement, but still has all the lightening cuts.

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The type III eliminated a lot of the machining operations and is basically a cost cutting method. It's heavier than the other two.

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Original Imbels are typically type III receivers

My personal preference is for the type II receiver. You can get a lot of information from the FAL files, but basically DSA is the only serious manufacturer and will answer the phone of you call them with a question.

If you have basic skills, and a decent parts kit, you can build your own. But the days of cheap STG58 and G1 kits are long gone.

As far as a model. the most popular is the so called 'Congo', with a conventional stock and 18 inch bbl. Many find the full length rifle awkward, but it isn't any more unwieldy than the standard M14/M1A.

As noted, parts are much easier to find for the metric rifle, and IMO the metric furniture is much nicer than found on the inch patter rifles.

I haven't bought an FAL in a few years, so I would definitely consult the FAL files to get the latest info on who's making the better rifles.

If you are curious, there are some of my old experiments with the FAL on my web site. http://guntech.com/fn/
 
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he type III eliminated a lot of the machining operations and is basically a cost cutting method. It's heavier than the other two.

Also: the type III has been made in both drop-forged and investment cast versions. FN made it forged for a very short time and then quickly switched to cheaper casting, which cuts estimated receiver life in half (still to a good 40k rounds). Those receiver life estimates are based on the original 1060 steel, so 4140 may last longer, or not.

IMBEL apparently bought production rights during the brief window of the drop-forged type III, so IMBEL receivers will be drop-forged type III models, of 1060 steel. A drop-forged III is probably stronger than a I or II, but isn't necessarily better than or even as good as DSA's forged I and II receivers of 4140 steel (a tougher alloy steel).

Nearly all US-made FAL receivers (Century, Hesse, Vulcan, Entreprise, Coonan) are investment cast type III models, and most or all are 4140 steel. The Entreprise and Coonan models are perfectly good, but you really don't save much in comparison to a DSA. I'd avoid the Century, Hesse and Vulcan receivers. Just to complicate things even more, early Century FALs were built in imported IMBEL receivers and the receiver is the same quality as any other IMBEL receiver, which is to say orders of magnitude above the US-made Century cast receiver.

Having fun yet?
 
After looking at DSA web site, I'd probably pick the Imbel (Built on a DSA type I). I have an original Argy gun that has been running fine for years. The biggest complaint I have is finish - I hate paint. But I have had zero issues. Military Argy parts in a DSA receiver properly assembled and headspaced for $900 sound like a great deal.

Just look at what you'll pay for a Springfield Armory M1A.
 
My idea of an Imbel FAL...SAR-48, not one made with Imbel "parts".

I paid $900 for my SAR-48 about 15 years ago.

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Mr. Davis- Why are you bringing machine guns into the discussion? I thought the topic was a semi-auto FAL (which I realize is a contradiction in calling the FAL a semi-auto but that's what we generally call this rifle and that's what it is called in the owner's manual that came with mine.)

I don't have a Colt M4 but I do have a genuine Colt AR15 that I bought new in the late 1970s:

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And I have a genuine H&K M91 that I bought new around 1980:

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Mr. Davis- Why are you bringing machine guns into the discussion? I thought the topic was a semi-auto FAL (which I realize is a contradiction in calling the FAL a semi-auto but that's what we generally call this rifle and that's what it is called in the owner's manual that came with mine.)

I don't have a Colt M4 but I do have a genuine Colt AR15 that I bought new in the late 1970s:

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And I have a genuine H&K M91 that I bought new around 1980:

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I guess what I should have said is that FN FALs are not available for anywhere near the prices mentioned in the OP, so it may not be much of an option, even semi-auto versions. It also may be due to my own bias that I assumed the OP was just looking at new guns, not used (which I assume most of the FNs are at this point).
 
My idea of an Imbel FAL...SAR-48, not one made with Imbel "parts".

I paid $900 for my SAR-48 about 15 years ago.

Ah, now there's a nice looking (and rather familiar) rifle. It's what I'd choose if I didn't already have one... assuming they're still out there.
 
i bought two first one a hesse wouldn't run right. the second inch parts on an imbel geer logo reciever i didn't care for. i just sold it for a loss. so my recommendation is try to find someone who has one and try it. also try an m1a, cetme, or ptr 91 find out which one you like. so you don't buy something and not like it and maybe loose money in between. i really like the m1a but if they didn't make them, i dislike the fal enough to go with a completely different caliber. this is just me though and probably not the norm, as i do think they are good well made rifles & some people sweer by them.
 
I paid $645 for my SAR-48HB ~ 20 years ago.

I paid 99 cents/gallon for gasoline 20 years ago, and as far as I know, gasoline (and crude oil) hasn't been prohibited from further importation.

FALs have been on the market for a while, and prices now are much higher in nominal terms than it had been earlier. Adjusted for inflation, the DSA-assembled STG and "IMBEL" are still good to great deals.

BTW, I have a rifle built on an SAR-4800 receiver... it's just an IMBEL receiver with a SA, Inc. logo. Nothing wrong with it but nothing terribly special either. I guess the SAR-48 was somewhat special in being an entirely (?) IMBEL-made new gun, rather than a parts kit assembled onto a receiver in the US.
 
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