Recommend revolver for my wife

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stogiegila

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I need a good recommendation for a small SD revolver for my wife. It will be primarily carried in purse or in a safe at home. Due to the purse carry, I'm thinking hammerless or possibly shrouded.

I also feel 2" is the max as it needs to be small as well as lightweight.

Here is my biggest problem. My wife suffers from degenerative joint disease in her hands. She has very little strength and can't rack a slide of any of my semi-autos (including a Beretta 21A). Trigger pull will be her primary issue. For reference, she couldn't pull the DA trigger on a Bersa Thunder .380.

So my best options, are simple ease of use with no fuss. Answer = Revolver. So I need a revolver that has as light a pull as possible but I also need to keep recoil down to a minimum, without too much weight.

So I'm thinking snubbie .38, hammerless. But which models will have the lightest triggers. LCR? S&W 442, 638, 642????? There are too many to choose from and I need to narrow down my search a bit. :what:

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
 
I actually buy my wife all the guns I always wanted.........


On a serious note tho, if trigger pull is an issue, I'd take her to a good gun shop and let her pull the triggers, and then tell you herself which one is the best for her.
 
Well if a revolver is your only option and recoil is also a consideration, then a small cal maybe your only choice.
I can tell you because i own one a 642 and it has a very heavy pull, it's designed too.
Im sure you can get a trigger job on it but the recoil is managable(for me) but it may not be for her.
Take her to the range and have her shoot a 38 or maybe a 22 revolver, its not an ideal round but it maybe all she can handle.
 
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I would look carefully at the LCR. My carry choice is the Smith 442, but I honestly think the recoil will be uncomfortable for her. Maybe you should consider the Smith 317 or the 22WMR version as an alternative.
 
I would look at and, if possible, shoot the Ruger LCR. It reportedly has a lighter trigger pull than J-frame S&Ws or their own SP101. (I have experience with both of these and they can be a little heavy.) However, its very light weight may cause it to thump and sting a bit. Possible alternative: get a spurless-hammer SP101 and have a good gunsmith lighten and smooth the pull, being sure to maintain ignition reliability. Its greater weight and cushioned grip will help with the recoil.
 
I would have her take a look at the Ruger LCR. While she is looking at it, she can try the trigger. My LCR has one of the best trigger pulls out of the box, for a small DA revolver, I have used. The recoil on the LCR with the factory grips is not bad with standard pressure loads. It is noticeable with +P loadings. I will note that Federal just re introduced its 38 Special 125 gr Nyclad HP in a standard pressure load. IMHO this loading os one of the best standard pressure loads for the 38 Special and it has a fairly mild recoil in the LCR.
 
Thanks for the input everyone. I wish I could find someone that has the LCR in stock. I also heard a few times now that recoil is less on the LCR than with the 642. Definitely something to think about.

Thanks for the load suggestion Forty5
 
I completely agree with buck460XVR.
Mine likes her all steel Taurus 85 very much and shoots it well in single action. However, although she can cycle it double action, she's not very accurate due to the difficulty she has with the trigger. She's learned from day one to keep her finger out of the trigger guard until on target.
 
I have physical limitations similar to your wife's. Recoil and trigger pull are an issue. I inherited a 642 - awful. Traded for a model 10 snubby - much better. Bought a model 19-3, 4" barrel - fantastic!! I can shoot it all day (when there's ammo to be had). I assumed I needed small and light. Turns out I do better with big and heavy.

I haven't tried purse carry (i don't have a carry permit yet) but it seems to me that a slightly heavier gun shouldn't be that big a deal. Most womens' purses weigh a ton; the few extra ounces from a non-lightweight gun probably wouldn't even be noticed :D
 
Your post got me to thinking. I carry a gun all day, every day. It's in the holster 24/7. I never take it out of the holster unless I actually put a few rounds through it (or, God forbid, I actually need it).

Here's my point. Why does she have to rack the slide? I haven't racked the slide on my carry gun in a long time (I practice most often with an identical gun). If she had a good, reliable semi-auto in cond. 1, she could never worry about it. How about a SA, 9mm with a smallish frame? All she'd have to do is thumb a safety, point and press. Here's what I'm thinking:

http://www.taurususa.com/product-details.cfm?id=611&category=Pistol
http://www.springfield-armory.com/armory.php?model=24
http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=10&productid=68

Just a thought. Sorta solves the trigger problem. Keeps a gun at the ready w/o the worry about recoil also. I know we're supposed to be able to perform all functions with our piece, but this seems like it might be a worthy exception.
 
Bensdad,

If she were to use a semi-auto, she needs to be able to handle the gun if something goes wrong. That includes racking the slide to clear a jam. She physically can't.

Deepsouth,
Yes I have seen that article and she has read it as well. She does want to learn to shoot and eventually wants to get her CCW. Her problem is she is physically too weak in her hands to do much. She can't fill a magazine (a requirement for CCW). She can't rack the slide on my 1911, any of my Glocks, or even my Beretta 21a. She can't open any type of jar, she just doesn't have the strength in her hands or fingers. That's why, I'm thinking the best bet is a revolver. It will always go bang and there is no racking to worry about. Recoil will be an issue, but once she is capable, she won't be going to the range regularly, but only occassionally.

There have been some good points about a heavier gun absorbing more of the recoil. The problem with going to the range is that all the range guns don't have trigger jobs and she won't be able to pull the trigger on them easily. She can barely cock the hammer back on a gun without great difficulty.

The LCR articles state that the grip and polymer help reduce recoil feel, but there are none around here. :(
 
hello stogiegila, this is my first post...I usually read but I thought I might be able to offer help so I joined. I am fairly new to guns but I do CC and often do so in a conceal carry purse. I have small hands and not a lot of strength in my hands. I carry a S&W 642. It does have a fairly stiff trigger pull and uhmm, a little bit of kick but it's the one I carry all the time even though I have 2 semiauto's and another larger revolver. This is what I wanted to add to this thread... I recently put the Houge monogrips on the 642 and it significantly helped with recoil. It makes concealment a little trickier but that isn't an issue with purse carry. I think Houge also sells the same grips but are 2 finger grips called "Bantam". The monogrips are 3 finger grips and also help me with gun control. As far as trigger pull, I personnaly would'nt want to have it any lighter because I view it as an extra safety feature. I have not tried the Ruger LCR, but if it has a lighter trigger pull and you change the grips out (not sure what grips come on the LCR) you may have a gun that your wife can use. Hope this helps.
 
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I tried out the LCR at Gander Mountain today, the trigger was much lighter and smoother than the 642. It felt awesome!
 
Take her around to the gun shows and dealers and let her pick it. I bought my first wife a Sig P230. She appropriated my Taurus 431 4" 44 Special.
My current wife prefers my 357 Blackhawk, but she will settle for my Taurus 3" 605 .... if she's carrying a small purse. She is 5'-3" and weighs about 110 soaking wet, and does not like small guns.
Maybe you can figure women better than I can. If so, more power to you.
 
Why don't you take her to a nice gun shop and have her try a couple small revolvers? I've always been a big S&W fan and I think that .357 is a great gun because she can also shoot 38 Special (+P or not) out of it with very little recoil. If a 38 has too much recoil, then I would consider a 22 mag revolver. It's not going to nock down a 300 lb perp on crack but a well placed shot can do a lot of damage and it will be loud as hell. I would not go to a 22 LR as that would be useless -- better off with can of bear pepper spray.
 
Got buddies with small, 2 or 3" barrel handguns? Get her to the range with your buddies and have her try them. Then go shopping and let her choose.
 
I'm an instructor and I've worked with women with hand strength issues related to arthritis and similiar conditions before. Some worse then others, but I'm talking about actual medical conditions here, not just people who never developed much hand strength in general.

Almost every one of them told me in advance that their hands weren't strong enough to let them use an automatic. They had tried them in the past and couldn't work the action,etc. I've probably had eight or nine women with arthritis or other joint issues tell me this exact same thing.

Guess what? So far, I'm at about 90% in being able to teach them how to properly work the slide on a semi-auto pistol and show them that, yes, even with their health issues, they don't have to just use a revolver.

(And the eight or nine are JUST the women with actual medical problems such as arthritis or other joint issues. I've taught many, many, other women who just didn't have much hand strength in general, but not related to any significant health issues).

The only women, so far, that couldn't use centerfire automatic was one with a very advanced case of arthritis. She was in her late 50's and her condition had worsened severely over the years. The really bad news is that she *already had* a revolver: She had a J frame that she had for years that she used to be able to shoot without problem. Unfortunately, she no longer had the strength to pull the trigger more then two or three times in a row. By the fourth shot she had both index fingers in the guard and it took all her effort to discharge the gun and her accuracy was totally gone.

For her, we finally found the only pistol she could operate and shoot well was a Ruger Mk II .22. Not the best choice, by any means, but the only one we could find that worked.

For everyone else though, I've seen the light bulb go on over their head as they realize that, yes, they don't *have* to just shoot a revolver and, if they want, they can shoot an automatic. Some centerfire autos are easier to rack then others. Spring resistence and the size and shape of the slide play a role and some women couldn't rack certain pistols, but could operarate other centerfire pistols.

But, the big issue is *technique*. With the proper technique racking the slide on an auto is more about leverage and power from the hips then about pure hand strength. Pax has a write up on the technique on her Cornered Cat website, but it is MUCH easier to explain and demonstrate and teach in person then for someone to learn from reading the description.

I'm not trying to brag: As an instructor I'm nothing special.

My advice is to find a good, experienced instructor in your area willing to work with her one-on-one. You want someone whose dealt with this kind of issue before and who has a nice variety of handguns for her to try. He needs to know what techniques work best for women in general and specifically have an idea on how to work with someone with arthritis or other health issues. Instructors like this are out there.

Now, I'll admit, that I could be wrong and your wife's joint disease is as bad as that one student I had, and that no matter what technique she uses, she just can't work the slide on an auto. BUT, before you decide that, have her work with a good instructor first. You might be surprised and, if nothing else, he shoudl have some revolvers for her to try as well.

And, to answer the question you *asked* instead of just telling you what *I think* you should hear, my revolver advice is to avoid the J frame pistols and try the K Frame guns. The smaller J Frame guns are harder to shoot not only for their small grip size but also because the trigger geometry is different. The leverage points are different and generally the guns have a heavier trigger pull that can not be lightended very much.

The K frame S&W's though have better leverage points and the pulls can be lightened significantly by a good gunsmith. This, combined with the bigger grips, make them easier to shoot. The K Frames are available (used at least) with 2" or 3" barrels. I use a 3" Model 65 as my carry gun.

If she does want a J Frame, the double-action only J Frames can be worked on to have better DA trigger pulls then the other J frames. That's because they lack the single-action notch and the gunsmith can smooth them up and slick them up more. If she does get a J frame I recommend a DAO only Smith with a good trigger job by a qualified gunsmith. Buy a used gun for this, btw.

But, seriously, have her work with a good local instructor. You both are likely to be surprised. And, if she really can't work an auto, he can help her get the most of out a revolver.
 
Take her to a gun shop

Let her make the decision. I did that with my wife and she wanted a Charter Arms 32 H&R magnum. It was an excellent choice and she loves the little gun. Let your wife do the same. With proper guidance and some range time, she can do it and will be happy by her own choice. Walk her through the process. Good luck
 
Female business atire often includes a jacket. You can hide alot under a jacket.

Read through Pax's cornered cat website as she talks about carry options there as well.

Concealed carry is a compromise. Sometimes you do have to modify your wardrobe.

I'm not a big advocate of purse carry myself either. Any off-body carry like that runs the risk of having the gun taken away if the purse is grabbed and often is slower to access the gun. Some methods are better then others and a purse MADE for carry is the best choice.
 
taken from another posting i made at a different thread:

"...a guy told me what i believe to be very good advice for someone trying to decide what handgun to use for the most dangerous species. first, decide what recoil level you are comfortable with between .38/9mm and 45 ACP. many have used less than the lower threshold with good results. it is just a line that is usually considered the lowest you can count on. above 45 ACP usually starts taking too long for a second shot.

then go to a user friendly store(s) and pick up every one they have on the counter that is within your comfort level for shooting. pick a target on the wall, about pie plate sized. close your eyes and point the weapon at where you remembered the target being. the ones that are pointing at same target when you re-open your eyes most reliably are what you should consider buying.

statisticly, most shootings occur at night, and at bad breath ranges. a hangun that points instinctively for you can be a real bonus in that scenario..."

gunnie

IF THE ABOVE MENTIONED 38/9MM FLOOR IS TOO MUCH RECOIL, GET SOMETHING SHE IS NOT SCARED OF.
 
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