I would definitely recommend a 10/22, but more importantly, discourage a model 60, they eat themselves.... with regular maintainance the 10/22 will keep on kicking for many years and thousands of rounds... the model 60 will start to choke on its own metal shavings within the first couple thousand rounds. that is my personal experience and the opinion of a well respected local gunsmith.
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My stock 10/22 is very very very accurate and the only mod I'v ever wanted to put on it is a folding stock and thats just so its realy compact.
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Schleprok62
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Ruger couldn't GIVE me a 10/22. The one I own is at the botom of the Ohio River... 
and that's about the best place for it... That was after it took a trip back to Ruger. If Ruger would have built it right in the first place, there would be no need for such an aftermarket... 
Marlin Model 60 is the best selling 22. Period! (I don't own one, not a fan of tube magazines) They are quite accurate out of the box, and the statement about them eating themselves is hogwash... I know guys that have some 30+ year old models that have had 10's of thousands of rounds through, and they still shoot better than a 10/22...
I have two Model 25 Glenfield bolt actions that are more accurate than a $70 rifle should be allowed...
My Remington 597 is also quite accurate... it beat several modified 10/22's in the monthly rimfire match here on THR.
My Remington Model Five is in the same arena as the CZ 452.
I also have a Browning T-Bolt, accurate, AND pretty damn sweet to just look at...
Next on my list: CZ 452 American.
Cheers...
and that's about the best place for it... That was after it took a trip back to Ruger. If Ruger would have built it right in the first place, there would be no need for such an aftermarket... Marlin Model 60 is the best selling 22. Period! (I don't own one, not a fan of tube magazines) They are quite accurate out of the box, and the statement about them eating themselves is hogwash... I know guys that have some 30+ year old models that have had 10's of thousands of rounds through, and they still shoot better than a 10/22...
I have two Model 25 Glenfield bolt actions that are more accurate than a $70 rifle should be allowed...
My Remington 597 is also quite accurate... it beat several modified 10/22's in the monthly rimfire match here on THR.
My Remington Model Five is in the same arena as the CZ 452.
I also have a Browning T-Bolt, accurate, AND pretty damn sweet to just look at...
Next on my list: CZ 452 American.
Cheers...
gunsandreligion
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I'd just love to know how it could be built better.
woof
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Most accurate: best value is CZ, or in a lower price range Savage Mark II
Best semi-auto: best value is Marlin 60
Most fun: best value is Henry H001
Best semi-auto: best value is Marlin 60
Most fun: best value is Henry H001
Mike U.
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Gotta go with the Marlin 60.
Overall, it gives the best bang for the buck.
Simply an amazingly good rifle for the price paid.
Overall, it gives the best bang for the buck.
Simply an amazingly good rifle for the price paid.
G-n-R. its an over rated carbine.trig suck, getting my face down to the iron sights. really sucks. for the money. it should out preform the marlin60 & my rem 597. but it cant and will not without more money. their are way better 22s for the money than the ruger10/22. i should follow Schleprok62 and toss mine in the muddy MO.
timberbeast63
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$300 for a good plinker
Well, in semi-auto, the 10/22 and 597 are good choices. Both can shoot very well, give you hours of fun and put food on the table if the SHTF.
I would recommend a CZ 452 Special or CZ 452 Trainer. Very good adjustable trigger, excellent open iron sites. It has the European "hogback" stock, but the reciever is groved or dovetailed for rimfire rings. This gun is the same as the CZ 452 Lux, but the stock is a high quality beech rather than walnut. Still looks very nice.
Cost will be just about $300. Can be a little harder to find, you might have to order the gun -- but it's worth it! This gun will outshoot the 597 or 10/22 and is much better built than either of the autoloaders.
Savage and Marlin make less expensive bolt action rimfires, none will touch the CZ.
Well, in semi-auto, the 10/22 and 597 are good choices. Both can shoot very well, give you hours of fun and put food on the table if the SHTF.
I would recommend a CZ 452 Special or CZ 452 Trainer. Very good adjustable trigger, excellent open iron sites. It has the European "hogback" stock, but the reciever is groved or dovetailed for rimfire rings. This gun is the same as the CZ 452 Lux, but the stock is a high quality beech rather than walnut. Still looks very nice.
Cost will be just about $300. Can be a little harder to find, you might have to order the gun -- but it's worth it! This gun will outshoot the 597 or 10/22 and is much better built than either of the autoloaders.
Savage and Marlin make less expensive bolt action rimfires, none will touch the CZ.
gunsandreligion
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The henry is probably the most fun gun on the market.
The CZ better be awfully good to beat a savage.
Mine is too It gets minuet of pumkin a 25 yards
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Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
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King Ghidora speaks very wisely, +1.
I woudn't say the CZ beats the Savage in accuracy; I would say that it ties it. Or you could say, the savage ties the CZ, which is really saying something. The CZ is still worth the higher price due to fit, finish, safety, & looks.
I woudn't say the CZ beats the Savage in accuracy; I would say that it ties it. Or you could say, the savage ties the CZ, which is really saying something. The CZ is still worth the higher price due to fit, finish, safety, & looks.
gunsandreligion
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those must have been bb guns I'v never even heard of to be that good.Because
That must not have been many.
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seldomseensmith
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My question for you is what type of Centerfire rifle or rifles do you currently own? My suggestion is to find one that most closely resembles the one you use most often, this way you can practice with the .22 and spend less money. I have had good experiences with the model 60 and 10/22 and the 77/22. My only gripes about the 60 are it gets dirty rather easily and the trigger sucks, same trigger issues with the 77/22 and the 10/22. I happen to lean towards the 10/22 because many different stock combinations are possible with it, ones that have a longer length of pull than a standard .22 Hope this helps.
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Do you have any facts to back this up? Not saying you are wrong at all as I really don't have a clue. I'd just like to see statistics.
I know most sites I go to when asked what .22 is recommended the 10/22 is mostly the answer. It's a very popular gun.
Mine as I said is accurate enough for me. It doesn't shoot the same hole over and over again but I don't expect it to either.
I've also never felt one that felt like a BB gun. However, I've never held one of the new ones with the plastic trigger and barrel bands and stuff.
The one I have feels pretty nice to me. Sure it's no Browning but I don't expect it to be.
Mine did this at approx 36 yards
That was shooting off the railing of a deck. No sandbags or vise or anything. Just resting a extended magazine on the railing of the deck and kind of bracing it with the side post. This was with cheapo bulk pack ammo from Wally-World. I bet you could do better if you had a good set of sandbags.
It's not great but honestly it's all I need out of a .22. For plinking this would be more than fine. If you aren't happy with it you could upgrade a few parts on it and it would do a lot better.
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jad0110
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If you are the kind of guy that likes to tinker, modify, reconfigure, etc, then the 10/22 is the 22 for you.
OTH, if you want a rifle that is generally going to be more accurate out of the box, then the market opens up quite a bit. Honestly, there are too many good choices to list, IMO. Post #38 does make a great suggestion.
One bolt action 22 that I've not seen mentioned yet are the Soviet made CM2 target rifles. The rifles have an excellent reputation for accuracy, and last time I checked, CDNN had them for $299. Adjustable Diopter sights, fully adjustable trigger. Although at 26", they are a bit large for a 22. And it is a single shot, which may or may not be a deal breaker.
Personally, I love my CZ-452 Trainer and my Marlin/Glenfield Model 60. If you are going to get a CZ-452, IMO, I'd get a model equipped with iron sights like the Lux or Trainer, as they are quite excellent IMO. The rear sight looks like it came right off a Mauser K98, with different increments of course.
The Trainer is a decent value too. It is the same gun as the Lux with a less expensive beech stock, vs walnut. IMO, the beech looks nearly as nice as the walnut. I paid about $280 for mine a year ago, NIB. The mauser-style action is stiff at first, but after working the bolt a few hundred times it begins to smoothen out nicely. The stock trigger is respectable, but can be greatly improved with the $14 Eric Brooks trigger kit. And the stock fits me perfectly.
If you want a great value, IMO, hold out for a USED Marlin Model 60. They are quite plentiful, as more Marlin Model 60s have been sold than any other 22 rifle. If you don't like tube fed guns, I believe the Model 75 is the same gun with a magazine. I actually prefer the feed tube, as there is no magazine to loose/keep up with. And it is very easy to load, to me anyway.
You may have seen my other thread, but I just picked up my Marlin Model 60 for $65 before tax from a local Pawn Shop. This particular Marlin/Glenfield was made in 1980, has a 22" barrel and holds 18 rounds in the tube. And thus far, it has proven to be very accurate. Not quite as accurate as my CZ, but not far behind.
Pretty awesome for $65, if you ask me. My Marlin/Glenfield is pictured below, followed by another I got from the same Pawn Shop for my dad for Father's Day. It is equipped with a cheap Tasco 4 x 15 scope, and cost $75 out the door.
Hard to beat two Marlin Model 60s for $140!
OTH, if you want a rifle that is generally going to be more accurate out of the box, then the market opens up quite a bit. Honestly, there are too many good choices to list, IMO. Post #38 does make a great suggestion.
One bolt action 22 that I've not seen mentioned yet are the Soviet made CM2 target rifles. The rifles have an excellent reputation for accuracy, and last time I checked, CDNN had them for $299. Adjustable Diopter sights, fully adjustable trigger. Although at 26", they are a bit large for a 22. And it is a single shot, which may or may not be a deal breaker.
Personally, I love my CZ-452 Trainer and my Marlin/Glenfield Model 60. If you are going to get a CZ-452, IMO, I'd get a model equipped with iron sights like the Lux or Trainer, as they are quite excellent IMO. The rear sight looks like it came right off a Mauser K98, with different increments of course.
The Trainer is a decent value too. It is the same gun as the Lux with a less expensive beech stock, vs walnut. IMO, the beech looks nearly as nice as the walnut. I paid about $280 for mine a year ago, NIB. The mauser-style action is stiff at first, but after working the bolt a few hundred times it begins to smoothen out nicely. The stock trigger is respectable, but can be greatly improved with the $14 Eric Brooks trigger kit. And the stock fits me perfectly.
If you want a great value, IMO, hold out for a USED Marlin Model 60. They are quite plentiful, as more Marlin Model 60s have been sold than any other 22 rifle. If you don't like tube fed guns, I believe the Model 75 is the same gun with a magazine. I actually prefer the feed tube, as there is no magazine to loose/keep up with. And it is very easy to load, to me anyway.
You may have seen my other thread, but I just picked up my Marlin Model 60 for $65 before tax from a local Pawn Shop. This particular Marlin/Glenfield was made in 1980, has a 22" barrel and holds 18 rounds in the tube. And thus far, it has proven to be very accurate. Not quite as accurate as my CZ, but not far behind.
Pretty awesome for $65, if you ask me. My Marlin/Glenfield is pictured below, followed by another I got from the same Pawn Shop for my dad for Father's Day. It is equipped with a cheap Tasco 4 x 15 scope, and cost $75 out the door.
Hard to beat two Marlin Model 60s for $140!
shotgunjoel
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Savage MKII. Great guns, cheap and accurate.
http://www.savagearms.com/markiibtvs.htm I got this one for about $250 I think. Shoots crazy small groups. The regular one is good too if you are concerned about weight.
http://www.savagearms.com/markiibtvs.htm I got this one for about $250 I think. Shoots crazy small groups. The regular one is good too if you are concerned about weight.
AllAmerican
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1) Marlin 60
2) Ruger 10/22
3) Remington 597
4) Savage Mark II
That should cover you.
Ive been on a .22 kick for a bit and have picked up one of each of the guns listed in the last month. I bought them all used and paid no more than $100 each. I then scoped em and slung em.
Then get the CZ thingy...
2) Ruger 10/22
3) Remington 597
4) Savage Mark II
That should cover you.
Ive been on a .22 kick for a bit and have picked up one of each of the guns listed in the last month. I bought them all used and paid no more than $100 each. I then scoped em and slung em.
Then get the CZ thingy...
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light, gun, accurate for hunting and plinking and holds 14 rounds, and is cheap - Henry h001. I love mine. It's my favorite plinking gun.
gunsandreligion
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Your 10/22 is obviosly not my 10/22 and the same goes for our 597s.
You shure are kind to the fishys giving them one of the best 22s made
CajunBass
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I've got a lot of 22's, and have shot even more. I don't remember the last "bad" one, but it was a long time ago.
Ruger, Browning, Henry, Marlin, Mossberg, Remington, and bunch I can't think of off the top of head all make good ones. They all turn out a bad one from time to time.
Ruger's 10/22, Remington's 597, and Marlin's 60 are all good rifles. I don't care for the M-60, but it's just I don't care for the looks. They shoot great. Find one you like and get it. If you like the 10/22, don't worry about what "they" say, get it.
Ruger, Browning, Henry, Marlin, Mossberg, Remington, and bunch I can't think of off the top of head all make good ones. They all turn out a bad one from time to time.
Ruger's 10/22, Remington's 597, and Marlin's 60 are all good rifles. I don't care for the M-60, but it's just I don't care for the looks. They shoot great. Find one you like and get it. If you like the 10/22, don't worry about what "they" say, get it.
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CZ 452 "special". $350. add a $90 set of peeps and you will be winning local rimfire tourneys.
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I just purchased a CZ452, and have been quite happy with it thus far. It is the Manlicher stock version, and the wood is solid and dense. The thing just shoots very well. Trigger is a bit gritty, but not terrible.
I'd get another.
I'd get another.
rangerruck
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for those who want to know; in their newest full size catalog, Marlin clearly states without ambiguity, the mod 60 is the all time best selling semi auto 22, with more units made, and sold , worldwide, than any other semi auto 22.
I have the 10/22 with the walnut stock and longer barrel (the box said "K" model) and its way more accurate than the base model's 18 inch barrel. Right now I have a 4 inch drop at 125 to 150 yards which I can compensate for with the cheapo optics I have on it.
The price between this one and the base model was only like 45 bucks.
Kris
The price between this one and the base model was only like 45 bucks.
Kris
punkndisorderly
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I pretty much hate my 597 I purchased last year. Had problems with jamming and machine-gunning attributed to bad magazines. One pull of the trigger would get you bang-bang-jam.
The stock trigger on my example is ultra gritty and the heaviest stock trigger I've seen. The chrome is flaking off the bolt. And it's the only firearm I own that's ever had rust problems.
The stock trigger on my example is ultra gritty and the heaviest stock trigger I've seen. The chrome is flaking off the bolt. And it's the only firearm I own that's ever had rust problems.
CajunBass
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Nor am I alone in thinking they make a pretty decent rifle for the money.
I suppose your opinion is worth more than mine?
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