Refinishing Uberti 1860 Henry Stock

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I do not believe in artificially aging a firearm.

If it is a safe queen, it sits in the safe and does not get used much, only taken out occasionally to be admired.

If I am going to shoot it, I allow it to have what ever nicks, dings, bangs, scratches, and what have you that it naturally acquires through use.

My Henry has been rode hard and put away wet for ten years. Even so, the wood is not half so banged up as I thought. Lots of scratches on the finish, which do not show up very well in these photos. Lots of small dents, and a couple of deeper dents.

I have no intention of refinishing it, I will allow it to continue to age naturally as it has for the last ten years.

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I agree. My Henry’s safe queen days are over starting today.
leave it on on the kitchen table! your wife will naturally bang it up, or about the mantle and put a sign, “ Please handle me”

but at any rate, it’s too late to be a safe queen, you already striped it
 
I did a little bit more research into the way Henry rifle stocks were finished.

The Story of Benjamin Tyler Henry and his Famed Repeating Rifle by the late Les Quick is the most authoritative book I know of on the subject. Quick was an avid collector or original Henry rifles, and knew many other collectors personally.

In doing his research for his book, Quick contacted dozens of other collectors, and interviewed them and took beautiful color photographs of many original Henry rifles.

Thus he was able to survey many original Henry rifles. Quick's book is on the left in this photo, Wiley Sword"s excellent book is on the right, and I recommend both books to anyone with a serious interest in Henry Rifle.

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Anyway, this is what Quick had to say about the finish on Henry rifle stocks:

"The survey disclosed that early Henry rifle stocks had either a regular varnish finish, or what was referred to as "extra finish". This extra finish involved varnish over either select walnut or in many cases rosewood stocks. During the latter stages of Henry production both varnish and oil finishes are observed. Beginning with the early "3XXX" serial number range oil finish is observed on Type 1, "CGC" stamped martial rifles. From that point on the buttstock finish might be either varnish or oil. The varnish finish is prevalent on special-order (i.e., engraved and/or plated rifles)"

Note no mention is made of stain. As a former professional woodworker I can tell you that when finished with either varnish or oil, American Walnut takes on a deep, dark brown color without needing any stain.
 
I knew Longshot Logan. He was a real character, used to bring his banjo to matches. He passes away quite suddenly, probably ten years ago or so.

I think it was closer to 15? I didn't know him personally but he was a character. He used a pic of Mr. Bean for an avatar. He redid my avatar pic when I was in SASS.
 
Let me ask you this, Driftwood. I read a post of yours from years ago that Uberti uses a lighter European walnut that is lighter in color. So should I use Black walnut stain and a sealer to be fairly authentic? I do put a lot weight into your advice and knowledge.
 
My Henry has been rode hard and put away wet for ten years.

I have hunted long and hard with my custom made ($$$$) Jeager for years, with no major dings or dents. A few very minor dents yes, and she don't look brand new, but she don't look abused or purposely "aged". I take great care of it, being the fine rifle it is, but using a rifle hard does not equate with dings and dents. I'm carful when I lay it down, or lean it against a tree, and don't lean it or lay it on a rock or boulder. (unless it's moss covered) But it's been rode-hard for many miles in the mountains for sure. Never put it away wet though.
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As you can see, use does not equal abuse.
 
That’s nice! My only flintlock is a kit built TOTW Jaeger. Beautiful rifle you have there!
 
Interesting question.

As far as I know, Uberti uses European Walnut, also known as Circassian Walnut, sometimes known as French Walnut.

This species tends to be lighter in color than American Black Walnut.

https://www.hearnehardwoods.com/walnut-circassian-lumber-2/

This is simply a case of using local resources rather than importing resources from far away.

Interestingly enough, I watched a video a few years ago about Pedersoli rifles and they claimed to be using American Black Walnut for their rifle stocks.

It has been a long time since I worked with Walnut. The heartwood of American Black Walnut is dark, almost purple in color, while the sapwood tends be very light, almost white.

Many years ago when I worked in a furniture shop the great majority of the furniture we built used White Oak. We would occasionally get a special order for one of our standard pieces to be built from Cherry or Walnut. Walnut was considerably more expensive than oak in those days, probably still is. Anyway, it was not always possible to cut away the light colored sap wood when using it for furniture. I can clearly remember the foreman rubbing Watco Danish Oil onto the Walnut to darken it, particularly the sap wood. Watco Danish Oil is still available, some of it is clear, some has stain in it. Rocco was probably using the Dark Walnut version of Watco Oil on the Walnut.

As has been previously mentioned, Walnut is an open pored wood, unlike Maple which has closed pores. I honestly do not know if filling the pores will affect how Walnut takes stain.

The best advice is to try applying stain and/or finish to a place on the wood that will not be seen when the rifle is reassembled. The slots where the tangs rest is probably the best place. Do a test there and see if you like the results.

That is the best advice I can give you.
 
It was against military policy to have weapons in which rapid fire (read; wasting ammo) would be tolerated.
Yet it was Custer's Michigan Cavalry units armed with Spencer Rifles (No Carbines had been purchased yet) who made Jeb Stuart turn tail and run back to Lee at Gettysburg thinking he had run into the whole Union army when he tried to sneak around Meade's flank!
 
It's kinda funny, everybody complains about Uberti's stock/grip color. Every collector on Colt forum swears the authentic color for refurbishing old Colt walnut is Feibing's dark brown. When I stripped a Uberti grip, stained it with Fiebing's dark brown and then TruOIl, it looked just like it did before. Bet you can't tell which one is which, except by the sheen of the finish.

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Colt revolvers made for the military had grips that were oil finished. Guns made for civilians had grips that were varnished. The varnished grips did have a reddish tint. These two aren't Colt's but I imagine they used the same varnish.

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Filling the pores will not affect the woods ability to accept stain. I would fill using a very dark colored filler and then stain a medium walnut color and lastly finish with a few coats of tru-oil. Not enough to really shine. The natural grain of that walnut will really pop.

like this.

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Maybe it's because English/French/Circassian walnut is more blonde and American black walnut is generally very dark brown, compared to other woods. I would opt for a walnut stain, rather than something reddish and I usually like reddish wood stain. Something more like this:

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I have hunted long and hard with my custom made ($$$$) Jeager for years, with no major dings or dents. A few very minor dents yes, and she don't look brand new, but she don't look abused or purposely "aged". I take great care of it, being the fine rifle it is, but using a rifle hard does not equate with dings and dents. I'm carful when I lay it down, or lean it against a tree, and don't lean it or lay it on a rock or boulder. (unless it's moss covered) But it's been rode-hard for many miles in the mountains for sure. Never put it away wet though.

Things are a little bit different in CAS. We shoot four firearms; two revolvers, a rifle, and a shotgun. Usually six stages in the day, shooting all those firearms. So each firearm gets shot a lot, not just one shot to take down game.

Depending on the shooting order for the stage, we may be putting down the rifle before moving on to the next firearm. We do not have a choice about where to put the rifle after it has been shot. Often times on a wooden table. If it is a windy day the table may have sand or grit on it, which scratches the finish. Since I don't really care about shooting fast I don't slam my rifle down on the table after shooting it like some do, but I still am moving along to the next firearm, so my Henry often gets dumped on the table in a bit of a hurry. Not the same as carefully laying it down someplace that is not going to damage the finish.

I was kidding about putting it away wet, but it does get rode hard.
 
Danish/tung oil and BLO need to be replenished regularly and don't seal very well against moisture. Thats why I use polyurethane varnish. 170 years ago Henry used varnish, he'd have used polyurethane varnish if they had it.

I use satin texture (not gloss) UV resistant polyurethane varnish to make the finish "bullet-proof". I cover the entire surface of the stocks so the wood is sealed completely against moisture. Thinning the varnish with ~30% paint thinner and hanging the stocks wet allows any runs to run out. Three coats gives a nice finish that's not going to peel or chip and lasts a lifetime.

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BTW, many finishes will spontaneously combust when rags soaked in finish are left on a workbench. Be sure to hang any towels or rags outside until they're dry. Danish tung oil mixes are especially prone to spontaneous combustion and the cause of house fires.
 
I do not believe in artificially aging a firearm.

If it is a safe queen, it sits in the safe and does not get used much, only taken out occasionally to be admired.

If I am going to shoot it, I allow it to have what ever nicks, dings, bangs, scratches, and what have you that it naturally acquires through use.

My Henry has been rode hard and put away wet for ten years. Even so, the wood is not half so banged up as I thought. Lots of scratches on the finish, which do not show up very well in these photos. Lots of small dents, and a couple of deeper dents.

I have no intention of refinishing it, I will allow it to continue to age naturally as it has for the last ten years.

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Yeah that finish looks fine, you made it out to seem it was to done for. I collect misurp rifles, that stock looks more than fine, just a little used.

I personally don't like the pietta/uberti finishes either, looks too fake.

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Yeah I can tell and although it's the same color, the top one looks more natural.
 
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BTW, many finishes will spontaneously combust when rags soaked in finish are left on a workbench. Be sure to hang any towels or rags outside until they're dry. Danish tung oil mixes are especially prone to spontaneous combustion and the cause of house fires.
didn’t know that! thanks for the tip
 
BTW, many finishes will spontaneously combust when rags soaked in finish are left on a workbench. Be sure to hang any towels or rags outside until they're dry. Danish tung oil mixes are especially prone to spontaneous combustion and the cause of house fires.

Thanks for mentioning that!

Yes, NEVER leave rags that have been used to apply ANY TYPE of finish heaped up in a bunch. As the finish polymerizes heat is generated. Yes, the rags can spontaneously ignite. Always soak rags used to apply any finish in water. Rinse them out well, and allow them to dry outdoors away from any combustible materials. Once dry, throw the rags away and use fresh rags for the next project. When I am cleaning a gun with solvent I often use red mechanic's rags. I soak them in water, thoroughly rinse them out, and hang them to dry on a portable indoor drying rack. When dry I fold them for their next use. Rags used to apply finish may be stiff when they dry out and useless for another application. Soak them, rinse them, allow them to dry outside, then discard them in a trash barrel outside and away from the house.

There are basically two types of wood finishes. Varnishes and lacquers form a skin on top of the wood. Oil finishes soak into the wood. Both of these finishes polymerize (a chemical reaction in which two or more molecules combine to form larger molecules that contain repeating structural units) as they cure. Varnishes and lacquers are difficult to repair if damaged. If a spot is worn or cut through, freshly applied finish may have trouble bonding to the old finish. Plus, as the old finish aged, the repair will stand out like a sore thumb. Oil finishes are not problem to apply fresh finish to. The new oil bonds to the old oil without any problem. That is the main reason I liked to use oil finishes on Cherry and Walnut. With Oak I usually sprayed on a lacquer finish. When I had my shop I had a spray booth and I used oil based lacquer. After I closed my shop and was working in my basement I used brush on, water based polyurethanes.

Yes, oil finishes tend to dry out. Here is a cherry end table I built many, many years ago. I usually finished Cherry and Walnut pieces with Watco Danish Oil. Upstairs is a cherry table I built many years ago, but I do not have a photo of it. Anyway, yes, oil finishes like this do need to be replenished to keep them looking their best. I used to apply a fresh finish every year or so to keep the finish looking good. I stopped bothering years ago and allowed the finishes to dry out naturally. It is not a problem, water still beads up on the surface.

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I have several antique lever rifles, the following two photos are of the wood on an original Winchester Model 1873 that left the factory in 1887. George Madis, in The Winchester Handbook, says "Winchester's oiled finish was standard for all guns; varnished finishes were extra". He is referring to the 1873 model here, I have not gone through what the finishes were for later models. No mention of stain, I suspect the finish was applied directly to the raw wood. Don't forget, there was much more top grade American Black Walnut available in those days than there is today, so stain was probably not required for a dark finish on American Black Walnut. The light colored sap wood would be cut away. Today most of the remaining walnut trees get turned into veneer, not solid lumber.

Of course I cannot categorically state that this old rifle has not been refinished at some point, but I like to think the finish is original. Lots of dings and dents from over the years. Close inspection indicates the pores were not filled, they are open. So although I do not have an original Henry rifle, they usually go for at least $30,000 or more, I have handled more than one. My recollection is the finish on those originals pretty much resembled the finish on this Model 1873 that left the factory about 20 years later.

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Yeah that finish looks fine, you made it out to seem it was to done for. I collect misurp rifles, that stock looks more than fine, just a little used.

You ought to see the finish on my Uberti replica 1873 rifle. Completely bunged up and a lot of the varnish is missing on the forestock from being knocked about in CAS. Sorry, I do not have a photo of it.
 
...Varnishes and lacquers are difficult to repair if damaged. If a spot is worn or cut through, freshly applied finish may have trouble bonding to the old finish. Plus, as the old finish aged, the repair will stand out like a sore thumb....
1.) The UV resistant polyurethane varnish I use is made for tabletops and bar tops. Properly applied polyurethane varnish is not going to need repair. I have several dings in the finish and no chips.
2.) With the duty cycle these rifles get and the toughness of polyurethane varnish I can't imagine any of us or our heirs will wear through it.
3.) I personally prefer the look a satin varnish over oil based finishes and there's no functional reason to choose oil over polyurethane.

Varnish takes a little extra effort compared to oil but I like the look and ruggedness of polyurethane varnish.
 
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