Reloading 22 Magnum

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I vaguely recall this subject being discussed some months ago. May have been 22 long rifle, check archives.
 
I have been successfully reloading 22lr for about 4 or 5 months now. I have read that 22 magnums have different, slower burning powder.
Does anyone know what powder is used in 22 magnums.
 
Wow, what a discouraging bunch. How about instead of telling me to give up, quit, don't try, you actually help me here.

Perhaps because it is impractical and they were not intended to be reloaded, If you want to stuff match heads or whatever go for, I gave you the link to a reloading kit where you can get the important primer compound, no I do not think any 22 ammo uses black powder,

I am sure if any one else reloaded it they would share.
 
I have been successfully reloading 22lr for about 4 or 5 months now. I have read that 22 magnums have different, slower burning powder.
Does anyone know what powder is used in 22 magnums.
What is your failure rate? What firearms are you using these in? How much does it cost for you to produce 1 round?
 
I don't know how difficult it is to reload .22 rimfire but imagine that it's no picnic. However, I just saw a "big sale" advertised today where .22 LR were ONLY 10 cents each.
AFAIC, that's highway robbery. It might be nice to know how to do it in case the prices continue to escalate.
.22 mag. is already ridiculous, costing between $0.35 and $0.60/each.
 
This is interesting and I have nothing of value to add but I wouldnt discourage the OP if thats what he wants to do.

I sold all of my .22WMR's and bought a couple of .223 bolt guns, I can re-load them about as cheap as new 22 mag.

My question is; what happens if the firing pin strikes in the same spot as it struck before? How does the primer get ignited? Everything else about it would seem the same as anything else we re-load.
 
You may have to experiment if nothing else. What powder are you using for .22LR? start there and work back to a slower powder. A chrono would certainly
help a bunch. Keep us posted on your results...
 
To the OP----Somebody said to get a 22 Hornet. They are similar in velocity but the Hornet has more case capacity though. Data for it might be usable for a starting point. The 224 Hornet specific bullet in the 35 to 45 grain weight would work in it as well. At least the bullets are not rebated like the .22 LR so it should be easier to reload using conventional dies/methods/bullets. But your .22 LR die would be too small in diameter to size the 22 MAG. FWIW Lil Gun gives me the best velocity in my Hornet. The same thing applies for the MAG that applies to any factory load, they are using a proprietary powder that we can't get. Try not to hurt yourself.:)
 
Never done it, but would never discourage anyone from attempting this. Improvisation is just about a lost art, or skill, if you will.

Please keep us posted on your progress.

35W
 
Save yourself the headache and get a 22 Hornet.
I agree. I have a Marlin 882 and it shoots well for me but I don't shoot it because of the expense and scarcity of the ammunition.
I have gone the 22 Hornet route, and i'm glad for it.
A little powder goes a long ways with this cartridge.
 
Well to answer a few of your questions about reloading 22lr. I am using a primer now that is basically roll cap powder with about 10% fine aluminum powder mixed in. The aluminum seem to give it a considerably hotter (more fire and sparks) ignition. I have done all of my experimenting in an old Remington 514 single shot rifle so far. My failure rate is contingent upon what sort of experiment I am doing at the time. I have failures isolated to one problem now. When I do the seating of the bullet or the "final sizing" of the round, sometimes the pressure causes the head to get slightly concave which "pops" the primer loose inside, causing a non-fire. Other than that, I have the powder type and charge, bullet weight, diameter, hardness and lube figured out. I am in the process of changing my experimental dies from mild steel and Grade 5 hardened bolts to high speed steel and grade 8 hardened bolts. The softer ones expand after a couple hundred rounds or less. I found through some research online that Vihtavuori 3n37 was originally developed for rimfire and indeed there is at least one manufacturer in Europe that uses it in 22LR. I couldn't find that so I searched for a similar powder and found that HS-6 was recommended as a replacement. So I use that. It works very well for 22LR. It is the only powder I have ever seen (I only have been reloading for about 5 months now) but it "looks" almost exactly like what is in factory 22LR. I read that 22 magnums use slower burning powder so I don't know if I should continue to experiment with HS-6 for them or start with a completely different powder. The only gun I have currently that shoots 22 Mag is my new little Heritage Rough Rider revolver. (It has a 22LR cylinder and a 22 Mag cylinder.) I have not used it for ANY of my reloads because I don't want to take a chance with it. I guess I am going to have to pick up an old 22 magnum rifle to experiment with. That will probably be the hardest challenge yet. To answer a couple of other questions, the dent from the firing pin can be opened up with a hydraulic sizing technique that I came up with. But it isn't really necessary. Most of the dents are just open enough to be able to get a bit of primer behind them and enabling them to work. I have had struggles with consistency. The big thing is crimping. The crimping method I use is a squeeze method. I cut a die out of a cheap pair of lineman's pliers that has a very fine line for crimping. It is dependent on the length of the case for accuracy of where the crimp will be. The cases are not all exactly the same length. So I guess I am going to have to make a case trimmer to get that corrected.
Now that it is heading towards spring and 22lr ammo is pretty easy to get at a fairly reasonable price, this whole process is getting to be tiring. I thought I would switch to reloading 22 magnums for a while.
Oh, it costs about 3 cents per round to reload at the prices that I have paid for powder, primer, lead and empty cases.
 
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Traffer, research the .22Cooper. It is/was a center fire version of the .22wmr. Should be a bit of data available as well as sources for loading dies. As far a crimping, look at the Lee factory crimp die. You could copy their design for a one-off personal use die. Or, contact them and ask if they would custom make you one. Talk to a technician, not a sales rep. They'll not have a clue about what you're talking about! The Lee #15 shell holder for the .25acp fits the .22wmr.
Back in the '80's, there was a bit of interest in replacing the bullets in .22wmr with .224" Sierra bullets for silhouette match shooting with T/C Contenders. Look into that. They were mostly making "Mexican" match... Pulling bad bullets and replacing with match bullets. Not remanufacturing used fired cases.

Finally, check with some of the Australian shooters. They still have available a round called the ".22 Velo-dog". Sort of an antique black powder centerfire version of the .22 mag.

My solution has been cast bullets in a .22Hornet.

BTW; the powder in the .17HMR is Hodgdon Lil'Gun. LongShot would work too.

Added; yes, re rebated bullet; a "heeled" bullet is used with the .22lr. ..22wmr has always used a jacketed (Winchester) bullet, or conventional plated/swaged bullet (CCI).
I suggest you "lurk" over at rimfirecentral.com and castboolits.com for much more and better information than you'll encounter here.
 
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Does "rebated" bullet mean the chamfer on the bottom of the slug?
No, a rebated, or heeled as posted, bullet for .22 LR is two a diameter (stepped) bullet. Groove diameter for about the front 2/3 and inside case diameter in the rear.

The bullets for .22 Mag are not rebated.
 
Thanks, but there is not need yet. I have a few brass and can get more at the range when it opens (if anyone ever shoots a mag again) Maybe in the future. Thanks for the offer though.
 
They WERE "actually trying to help you", you just aren't accepting it!

DM
I am only going to reply to this one about whether it is encouraging or discouraging:
(Don't even go there, don't bother, and save yourself a headache and get yourself a 22 hornet) as replies to "what powder is in a 22 mag?"
 
I'm surprised somebody hasn't replied "Don't try it! You'll shoot your eye out!"

I enjoy this type of stuff just to see what can be done. And, there may come a day when nothing is commercially available.
 
Does anyone out there know what kind of powder they use in them?
Just a guess, something similar in burn rate to VV 3n37 or 3n38.
 
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