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KY DAN

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So I have no issues get primers or powder .

Online and local availability are excellent

Prices are dropping and rebates are flowing and free shipping on hazmat is being offered.

This sounds great..... but I can't help but wonder if it is.

Everything stays the same and nothing is being purchased from my local big box sporting stores.
 
KY DAN said:
So I have no issues get primers or powder .

Online and local availability are excellent

Prices are dropping and rebates are flowing and free shipping on hazmat is being offered.

This sounds great..... but I can't help but wonder if it is.

Everything stays the same and nothing is being purchased from my local big box sporting stores.
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The first factor is expendable income is gone... the second is a lot of people are no longer panicked and buying up anything, this is magnified by profiteers doing the same. Hopefully prices continue to drop and we can bulk stock up... I'm still limited to 400 primers at a time locally
 
You are blessed. Walking into a gun shop and finding powder and primers on the shelf is non-existent around here. Just the drive to visit a gun store is a 2 hour round trip for me. I am still in the position that if I can find it I will have to pay the price online including shipping, hazmat, and all. I just ordered (2) pounds of IMR 4064 from Powder Valley. Shipping and hazmat $18.00 a pound x 2 = 36.00. Not dinging Powder Valley. I have bought from them in the past and their prices and fees are reasonable. But for me to say I am wallowing around up to my neck in primers and powder to the point I have to worry about price drops would be a trip to the magic kingdom for me.
 
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frogfurr said:
Walking into a gun shop and finding powder and primers on the shelf is non-existent around here. Just the drive to visit a gun store is a 2 hour round trip for me.
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It’s not quite that bad here. The nearest gun shop with primers is only about an hour drive in light traffic. That leaves out most days ending in Y but if I leave work at lunch time I can go there and back in under an hour. They have large pistol and small rifle, and that’s it. They have two powders right now: Hodgdon’s 50BMG and W244. Pass Bro has other powders but no primers.
So it’s getting better here in NWFl but it’s never going to be roses and honey. There’s just not enough handloaders shopping local around here to make it profitable for stores to stock up.
 
So far i agree with the above comments, it's seems to be a mixture or expendable income lost and lost in interest.

I was in high school in the Obama shortages and I remember going to gun shows where "prepper" was a theme and handloading seemed to really gain interest.

I still wonder if the gun community has lost it's drive after these last few intense years.
 
KY DAN said:
So far i agree with the above comments, it's seems to be a mixture or expendable income lost and lost in interest.

I was in high school in the Obama shortages and I remember going to gun shows where "prepper" was a theme and handloading seemed to really gain interest.

I still wonder if the gun community has lost it's drive after these last few intense years.
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maybe with it becoming more available but still quite expensive we are just waiting for it to come down. i don't know but i sense a little bit of desperation in the multiple sales in the same week from some of the online retailers yet there seems to be a minor catch such as shipping going up when there's a price reduction or free shipping with higher unit cost or can't close out a sale though you are within qualifying purchase amount yet it works if there is more stuff piled on your online cart etc..
 
Thanks to the reloading component section on this forum I was able to buy the most primers under 70$ per thousand I have bought in years there seemed to be no limit. A couple of buddies bought some as well and we split the haz mat charges. What I would like to see come down in price is H 4350 and large rifle magnum primers.
 
Some people hoard the stuff and never use it, they probably got all they need, some have changed their shootings habits, some stocked piled enough to last a couple years and will not be buying any for a long time. Going through these shortages every couple of years has made me change a few buying habits. I have four years worth of primers & powder. I have change powders for some loads, like trading unique for win 231. Every shortage has been the same pistol primers first available with large rifle being the last, varget is made from hens teeth so I no longer use varget. I think we are at the stage prices will go down but we do have and election coming up and the ukraine war along with inflation so prices will not go down very much. I use the price of 9mm ammo to judge the market it currently 22 cent per round. I would like to see it at 17cent but that is probably 3 years out if ever, in the next year we might see it drop to 20 cent.
 
As I said, I've already seen .18 cent on a weekly sale. But I wonder how much the component companies have been price fixing us.
After all, all of them had hazmat fees and all of them were charging $100/brick and all of them have had 30% increase in powder.
And who will complain....no one because they are all pro-gun and no one wants to upset the apple cart. Vista employees have said every day they come to work and it is a normal day like it was back in the nineties. Not trying to increase production, etc. I noticed every box of 9mm ammo on the shelf is FMJ except some self defense ammo at a $1/cartridge or more. Who is milking the system?
Now I know Vista had a military contract which ended a year ago, which would account for most FMJ and Winchester has another one right now, but in previous years, isn't that strange to have all 50 round boxes only in FMJ?
 
Thomasss said:
As I said, I've already seen .18 cent on a weekly sale. But I wonder how much the component companies have been price fixing us.
After all, all of them had hazmat fees and all of them were charging $100/brick and all of them have had 30% increase in powder.
And who will complain....no one because they are all pro-gun and no one wants to upset the apple cart. Vista employees have said every day they come to work and it is a normal day like it was back in the nineties. Not trying to increase production, etc. I noticed every box of 9mm ammo on the shelf is FMJ except some self defense ammo at a $1/cartridge or more. Who is milking the system?
Now I know Vista had a military contract which ended a year ago, which would account for most FMJ and Winchester has another one right now, but in previous years, isn't that strange to have all 50 round boxes only in FMJ?
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If you are selling for top dollar using the cheapest components (fmj) you are maximizing profits. If the only hollowpoints one can het cost 1.50 each in a box of 20 guess what they are making? Your just seeing where their best money is made.
 
I'm still getting a brick a week of the Remington 1 1/2s for $42.11/ brick at Sportmans Warehouse. I keep waiting for that to dry up but so far they seem to be able get them everything they run out. If they quit selling them to me for brick price, the sleeve price is $5.99 so $60 bucks a thousand.
They have Accurate, Hodgson and Winchester powders, a decent assortment for this day and age. But they are the only store in the county that have any, so I am extremely lucky to have a store in my area, yet alone have decent prices.
I was getting ready to start shooting factory ammo since the shooting club had a couple sales and I stocked up on 9mm factory loads for $11 something a box. I'll keep them for future bad times since I'm able to load again, for now.
 
One trend I've noticed is that the legacy powders are a lot more available than the newer formulas. That's fine with me. As long as I can get Titegroup, 231, WSF, and Power pistol, I can load for all my handguns. Haven't seen Unique for years.
Haven't seen IMR rifle powders except for 4895 for a long time either. I want some 4064 and keep waiting but no dice. May have to get the 4895 and make due with it before it's all gone , if it isn't already.
 
AJC1 said:
If you are selling for top dollar using the cheapest components (fmj) you are maximizing profits. If the only hollowpoints one can het cost 1.50 each in a box of 20 guess what they are making? Your just seeing where their best money is made.
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Or… the HP ammo is going to fill law enforcement agency back orders and what commercial distributors are getting are just a percentage of the remaining inventory.
Any contracts in force before the shortage are still in force and must be satisfied first.
 
tightgroup tiger said:
One trend I've noticed is that the legacy powders are a lot more available than the newer formulas. That's fine with me. As long as I can get Titegroup, 231, WSF, and Power pistol, I can load for all my handguns. Haven't seen Unique for years.
Haven't seen IMR rifle powders except for 4895 for a long time either. I want some 4064 and keep waiting but no dice. May have to get the 4895 and make due with it before it's all gone , if it isn't already.
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Midway has it and they're proud of it. Lol
8lbs for $314.99 plus HM/shipping.
 
My experience is similar to those without big store availability. I can find ammo no prob but don't use or need it. I have found a couple of powders and a few types of bullets I use. I can never find primers. I buy almost everything from Powder Valley when they run free shipping or free hazmat. They usually have what I need to keep reloading.
 
After two visits to Scheels in Chandler in the last two weeks, I'd say the drought of components is over, for now, here.

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People are buying, but most of us have squirrelled away every one or two hundred trays we could find everywhere we went. If I was passing a gun shop for ANY reason, I would try to stop to see if they had anything left. Maybe we're shocked at seeing a light at the end of the tunnel, but after Klinton's "deprogramming" threat, maybe we'll start the panic all over again, hope not. As also mentioned, we're getting tighter and tighter in the wallet as gas and food prices sky rocket.
 
I been watching some of the small online shops for SRM prices as soon as they go below 50$ I’m stocking back up they are about 55$ now
 
KY DAN said:
So far i agree with the above comments, it's seems to be a mixture or expendable income lost and lost in interest.

I was in high school in the Obama shortages and I remember going to gun shows where "prepper" was a theme and handloading seemed to really gain interest.

I still wonder if the gun community has lost it's drive after these last few intense years.
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Intense...yes. But I spent a great deal of time and effort sourcing components and now I can order them online with little or no fuss. I'm not going to spend my time running to three stores on Sunday to find 1 sleeve of primers...I'm going to order the brick online (especially since gas it 3.44/gal...I can justify the Hazmat). I am cherry picking now....05 cents per primer is not far away.
 
The CCI primers I use are pretty much 10 cents apiece after everything. I do not think that we will ever see any primers under 8 cents again. Especially now that there is now a new war starting in Israel. The one-hundred-dollar increase for 8 pounds of powder really sticks me.
 
gifbohane said:
The CCI primers I use are pretty much 10 cents apiece after everything. I do not think that we will ever see any primers under 8 cents again. Especially now that there is now a new war starting in Israel. The one-hundred-dollar increase for 8 pounds of powder really sticks me.
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Sometimes you have to be flexible and try new things.

The last 5k SPP I got, I paid $67/k delivered to my door...granted they were Bosnian primers, but they've been very reliable over the first 3k I loaded. They (Ginex) have replaced CCI in my inventory and is being used for everything other than my tuned competition revolvers.

I tried a powder I had never used before when it was on Clearance at a major vendor (Midway). It was 4lbs of Vihtavouri N310 for $28/lb...even adding shipping, tax, and HazMat, it was still only $36/lb
 
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