Hiaboo
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I mistakenly bought a collet die set for the .30-30. I will be shooting this in a winny 94 I know that I am supposed to do full length but can I get away with neck sizing in this?
Thanks.
Thanks.
Reloading for lever .30-30
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rcmodel
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Only sure way to find out is to try it in your gun.
If the action will close on a sized case, it will be fine, and will increase the life of your brass.
If it won't, it won't!
rcmodel
If the action will close on a sized case, it will be fine, and will increase the life of your brass.
If it won't, it won't!
rcmodel
Hiaboo
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Alrighty then.!
SASS#23149
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It works in my lever gun,may work in yours as well.
I'd try every case,just to be sure,and save time wasted by dismantleing the rounds.
I'd try every case,just to be sure,and save time wasted by dismantleing the rounds.
PowderApe
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If the reloads are FROM the same gun and going back INTO the SAME gun, you don't need full length resizing and you can get away with neck sizing only. If it's into another weapon, then full length is in order. This is especially true when reloading any semi-auto.
With bolt action and lever actions, as long as it's the same gun, neck sizing only will extend case life...
FWIW
With bolt action and lever actions, as long as it's the same gun, neck sizing only will extend case life...
FWIW
One reason I had read that you should always FL size rounds for lever rifles was that the lever action is "springy" enough that the cases expand more in firing than they do in a bolt action rifle. This may result in feeding/chambering problems. In reality, I'm sure it depends on the rifle. In general, I've always neck sized for bolt action and FL sized for leverguns. Frankly, I've never tried neck sizing only for my .30-30.
DEDON45
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I dunno, I've always been told to full lenght resize ammo that is to be used in a semi-auto or lever gun... My accuracy is good enough in my Marlin, don't see an need in messin' with it.
jacobhh
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I'd find another way to squeeze out accuracy. FL resize.
The actions are springy and you may be able to get away
with a partial resize once or twice, but eventually the brass
will have deformed enough to prevent the action from going
into battery. Unfortunately, you can possibly squeeze the
lever tight enough to defeat the safety. Not good!
IMHO full length resize reloads to be used in Winnie levers
or always gauge the resulting cartridge before use. This
is regardless of previous performance in same gun.
The actions are springy and you may be able to get away
with a partial resize once or twice, but eventually the brass
will have deformed enough to prevent the action from going
into battery. Unfortunately, you can possibly squeeze the
lever tight enough to defeat the safety. Not good!
IMHO full length resize reloads to be used in Winnie levers
or always gauge the resulting cartridge before use. This
is regardless of previous performance in same gun.
jacobhh
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I'd find another way to squeeze out accuracy. FL resize.
The actions are springy and you may be able to get away
with a partial resize once or twice, but eventually the brass
will have deformed enough to prevent the action from going
into battery. Unfortunately, you can possibly squeeze the
lever tight enough to defeat the safety. Not good!
IMHO full length resize reloads to be used in Winnie levers
or always gauge the resulting cartridge before use. This
is regardless of previous performance in same gun.
The actions are springy and you may be able to get away
with a partial resize once or twice, but eventually the brass
will have deformed enough to prevent the action from going
into battery. Unfortunately, you can possibly squeeze the
lever tight enough to defeat the safety. Not good!
IMHO full length resize reloads to be used in Winnie levers
or always gauge the resulting cartridge before use. This
is regardless of previous performance in same gun.
PowderApe
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I usually FL resize everything since I'm not sure what gun it's gonna go into or if I give a box to a shooting buddy when we go shooting and I want it to fit universally...
What do you mean the lever action rifle's action is "springy"?? That just doesn't make sense to me??
Please advise!!
The cartridge won't/can't swell to any bigger than the chamber AFTER ejection when internal case pressure equalizes with ambient pressure. ...and if it came out of that particular chamber, it'll fit back in later!! The neck is resized to hold and release the bullet consistently.... There's lots of leverage in the lever mechanism to cam that round into the chamber, if necessary, and it HAS to lock up or it's busted!
semi-autos, on the other hand are still experiencing high internal pressure during the initial extraction phase that the case head is hot and unsupported and may expand a little more than chamber diameter causing a little "balooning" of the base requiring FL resizing to insure it'll chamber when reloaded.
I've experienced having to FL resize ALL THE WAY to the shell holder to allow full chambering and locking of the chamber in battery--- but only in semi's. There's no camming mechanical advantage available here with a semi as there is with a bolt or lever action- just recoil spring pressure so the round HAS to be smaller than the chamber along it's entire length. It's even more apparent with cheap brass where there's less brass in the web area (near the case head) and it swells more readily at extraction.
I don't care how fast you can work the lever of a lever gun, you ain't a-gonna open that chamber as early as a semi auto when the residual chamber pressure is high so as to cause any add'l "swellage" to the web of the case (I hate to use the word "balooning" as it means somethine entirely else)
I just dont understand/accept the "springy action" part!!
What do you mean the lever action rifle's action is "springy"?? That just doesn't make sense to me??
Please advise!! The cartridge won't/can't swell to any bigger than the chamber AFTER ejection when internal case pressure equalizes with ambient pressure. ...and if it came out of that particular chamber, it'll fit back in later!! The neck is resized to hold and release the bullet consistently.... There's lots of leverage in the lever mechanism to cam that round into the chamber, if necessary, and it HAS to lock up or it's busted!
semi-autos, on the other hand are still experiencing high internal pressure during the initial extraction phase that the case head is hot and unsupported and may expand a little more than chamber diameter causing a little "balooning" of the base requiring FL resizing to insure it'll chamber when reloaded.
I've experienced having to FL resize ALL THE WAY to the shell holder to allow full chambering and locking of the chamber in battery--- but only in semi's. There's no camming mechanical advantage available here with a semi as there is with a bolt or lever action- just recoil spring pressure so the round HAS to be smaller than the chamber along it's entire length. It's even more apparent with cheap brass where there's less brass in the web area (near the case head) and it swells more readily at extraction.
I don't care how fast you can work the lever of a lever gun, you ain't a-gonna open that chamber as early as a semi auto when the residual chamber pressure is high so as to cause any add'l "swellage" to the web of the case (I hate to use the word "balooning" as it means somethine entirely else)
I just dont understand/accept the "springy action" part!!
rcmodel
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Conventional lever-actions (Winny, Marlin, Savage 99) are "Springy" compared to almost any bolt-gun, and most semi-autos, because they all lock on the rear end of the action, not the front.
That allows all that extra steel in the receiver & bolt (between the bolt face and the locking device) to 'spring" or compress (bolt) or stretch (receiver), more then a bolt that locks directly into the front of the receiver or barrel extension.
It's a fact well known to gun designers, and reloaders.
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Birdhunter1
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I started reloading with a Lee Classic loader that only neck sized and I found I was having trouble with reloads not going into the chamber on my Marlin 336 30-30. I went to full length sizing and have had no problems.
jacobhh
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This is not the case.
I have six Winchester lever action rifles in five calibers. Two are in 30-30.
I reload for all of them.
One rifle is a '94 AE in 307. Because of the "New" stronger action I
decided to partial resize using starting loads and once fired Winchester
brass. First time, no problem, second time I partially resized that brass,
one of three cartridges wouldn't "Lock Up". End of range session.
I went home, pulled all the bullets and have only FL resized since.
There is not a thing wrong with the rifle and it is quite accurate firing
FL resized reloads.
Lee's 2007 book states: "Full length resize the case if you are:
1) Loading for an autoloader, slide or lever action.".
RCBS also makes a 30-30 neck sizing die but warns that it is to be
used in reloading for bolt action guns only.
RC explained "springy."
There's no mystery here. Why not follow the rules and improve accuracy
the same way one gets to Carnegie Hall?
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