I am going to reload the 30 Carbine for my Ruger Blackhawk and I was reading where some Reloaders anneal their brass cases, is this true? I bought once fired brass and am wondering if I should attempt to anneal the brass. How often should I anneal the brass or even if I should attempt to anneal the brass? I thought that you only anneal necked brass like the .223 Rem and such. I never thought about annealing straight walled cases and there is nothing in my reloading books about annealing straight walled brass cases, so I am reaching out to you experienced Reloaders about annealing straight walled brass cases. Thank you All.
RELOADING THE 30 CARBINE???
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Nope, just trim as needed and choot em.
W-296, H-110 or 2400 are good powders.
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| 30 | 30 M1 Carbine | 02 | 002 B |
The fancy Kiwi device has Aztec settings for it.
| 30 M1 Carbine | 02 | Remington | 30 (0.011") | Dana Willis | |||
| 30 M1 Carbine | 02 | PPU | 35 (0.0115") | Dana Willis | |||
| 30 M1 Carbine | 02 | Armscor | 43 (0.012") | Dana Willis | |||
| 30 M1 Carbine | 02 | Starline | 37 (0.012") | Robert Weber | |||
| 30 M1 Carbine | 02 | Aguila | 34 (0.0115") | Josh Carter | |||
| 30 M1 Carbine | 02 | Federal | 34 (0.012") | Josh Carter | |||
| 30 M1 Carbine | 02 | Sellier& Bellot | 34 (0.012") | Josh Carter | |||
| 30 M1 Carbine | 02 | Lake City 68 | 41 (0.012") | Gregory Foster | |||
| 30 M1 Carbine | 02 | Lake City 71, 72, 73 | 37 (0.012") | Josh Carter | |||
| 30 M1 Carbine | 02 | Hornady | 30 (0.012") | Ray Allred | |||
| 30 M1 Carbine | 02 | A-Merc | 29 (0.011") | Dana Willis |
And even non - Aztec settings as well.
If it can be done, it can be done…
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| 44 | 44 Rem. Mag. | 10 | 010 E |
They even have have settings for .44 Magnum, it seems
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OK!! I see most people don't anneal pistol brass but my next question is: Is the 30 Carbine, Rifle or Pistol brass??? Since the Carbine is a Rifle and the Ruger Blackhawk is a pistol which shoots a rifle cartridge and is a straight walled case, what is it considered a rifle round or a pistol round? Just trying to get it straight and not make any unfounded guesses. Thanks All.
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.30 Carbine is a rifle cartridge technically speaking. There are some revolvers made in this caliber also, so that makes it a pistol too. It has a lot in common with 357 mag or (327 Federal Magnum even more so) as far as case capacity, and pressure envelope. It uses similar powder, IIRC Hodgdon H-110 was first manufactured especially for the 30 Carbine.
It was made to be light, mobile and inexpensive....and all three of those things it definitely was. And if your assignment was going from house to house, it would be about as good of weapon as you could ask for IMHO.
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No personal experience, but offhand - the bullet weight and powder burn rate matchup determines that.
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Whatever you're shooting it out of makes it what it is at that given moment.
If you want to get super technical, just figure out what platform on which any given chambering was invented on and leave it at that.
IMO 30 carbine has many more commonalities with pistol cartridges than it does rifle cartridges.......it headspaces on the case mouth, has short round nose bullets, uses powders that today are mostly used in pistol cartridges...
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I have never annealed a straight walled case to date. I wouldn't consider it on the Carbine length one simply due to the possibility of getting too close to the bases. That said, I do have a 360 Buckhammer and 45-70 that might benefit from it at some point, but even those will be situational.
As for rifle versus handgun, it was developed for a rifle initially, Ruger and a couple of others brought it out in a revolverlate 50s mid 60's and somewhere along the late 80s-mid 90s AMT brought out the Auto Mag chambered in it.
Loading it it pretty straightforward with the biggest issue being case length as mentioned above.
As for rifle versus handgun, it was developed for a rifle initially, Ruger and a couple of others brought it out in a revolverlate 50s mid 60's and somewhere along the late 80s-mid 90s AMT brought out the Auto Mag chambered in it.
Loading it it pretty straightforward with the biggest issue being case length as mentioned above.
The 30 Carbine, like the 44-40, was born a rifle round.
Both are also used in handguns however,
Annealing req'd -- or even useful ?
No.
Controlling trim/length is critical, as others have already stated.
OPTION: (if you have a newer Ruger)
If 32-20 (lead) ammunition is available, shoot that out of the Ruger,
and then reload again --as 30 carbine this time -- with cast bullets
Both are also used in handguns however,
Annealing req'd -- or even useful ?
No.
Controlling trim/length is critical, as others have already stated.
OPTION: (if you have a newer Ruger)
If 32-20 (lead) ammunition is available, shoot that out of the Ruger,
and then reload again --as 30 carbine this time -- with cast bullets
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+1 trim and no need to anneal straight wall cases. Start with good quality cases and you should not have issue - see a cracked neck toss it and don't use nickle plated.
Time would be better used by finding a good die or fixing your die so it doesn't size the case more than needed. Adjust sizing die up until you don't have a bump at the bullet base but still have enough tension for proper bullet seating and mic the neck to make sure it is at sammi max diameter after crimp so it chambers and headspaces properly.
I have considered annealing 45 colt brass before because it is so low pressure and doesn't seal well but have not so far. 30 carbine does not have that problem if you use a proper powder type and charge.
Time would be better used by finding a good die or fixing your die so it doesn't size the case more than needed. Adjust sizing die up until you don't have a bump at the bullet base but still have enough tension for proper bullet seating and mic the neck to make sure it is at sammi max diameter after crimp so it chambers and headspaces properly.
I have considered annealing 45 colt brass before because it is so low pressure and doesn't seal well but have not so far. 30 carbine does not have that problem if you use a proper powder type and charge.
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Pistol? Rifle" It's straight walled brass.
Like I said, I am new to reloading it, but it never occurred to me a straight walled case would need annealing, and over the years here I have read about the importance of trimming .30 Carbine etc, but never about annealing.
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I've read the Military duplicate load is 15.0 grains of H110/W296 behind a 110 grain bullet.
RMR has affordable bullets, especially with their 10% off code that should run through today and tomorrow. Also free shipping.
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RMR has affordable bullets, especially with their 10% off code that should run through today and tomorrow. Also free shipping.
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.30 Carbine (.308) 110 Gr. Armscor Full Metal Jacket Round Nose *NEW* | RMR Bullets
This is the perfect bullet for your M1 Carbine or any .30 carbine pistol. They are excellent for target shooting or plinking.
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Never heard of Annealing 30carbine brass. Don't do it.
I have never heard of anyone annealing any straight wall, even 45-70 which is usually not used in a pistol.
I have never heard of anyone annealing any straight wall, even 45-70 which is usually not used in a pistol.
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I have been looking for an excuse to buy a large haul bullets from rmr.I've read the Military duplicate load is 15.0 grains of H110/W296 behind a 110 grain bullet.
RMR has affordable bullets, especially with their 10% off code that should run through today and tomorrow. Also free shipping.
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.30 Carbine (.308) 110 Gr. Armscor Full Metal Jacket Round Nose *NEW* | RMR Bullets
This is the perfect bullet for your M1 Carbine or any .30 carbine pistol. They are excellent for target shooting or plinking.
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Right off the Starline site:
Our .45-70 brass has been tested at elevated pressures suitable for magnum heavy hunting loads in adequate gun systems. When loading with black powder, annealing of mouth may be necessary to allow case to properly seal chamber due to lower pressures generated by these loads. Our case is produced very strong to withstand high pressure loads associated with smokeless hunting loads and since the only way to make brass harder is to work the material our only option is to leave them stiffer so the customers can anneal for specific application. See annealing procedure in Frequently Asked Questions.
Just for informational purposes only...................
I wouldn't see any need to anneal 30 Carbine ......................I don't (doesn't mean that's correct, tho)................
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I guess someone should test it for 30carbine.Right off the Starline site:
Our .45-70 brass has been tested at elevated pressures suitable for magnum heavy hunting loads in adequate gun systems. When loading with black powder, annealing of mouth may be necessary to allow case to properly seal chamber due to lower pressures generated by these loads. Our case is produced very strong to withstand high pressure loads associated with smokeless hunting loads and since the only way to make brass harder is to work the material our only option is to leave them stiffer so the customers can anneal for specific application. See annealing procedure in Frequently Asked Questions.
Just for informational purposes only...................
I wouldn't see any need to anneal 30 Carbine ......................I don't (doesn't mean that's correct, tho)................
Next time I load up 45-70 with bp with fired brass I'll try annealing them. The do get rather soot covered.
Nice even starline recommends heating to "dull red" to anneal them which according to some people "ruins the brass".
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