Relocation Advice -- Kansas Or Missouri?

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I am in a position to be relocating to Kansas City, MO for a job from Upstate NY. I presently have CT - NY-FL-NH CCWs.

How hard will it be to get a KS or MO CCW? I'm especially interested in hearing from folks who live in KS or MO with their opinions and feedback.

I have the luxury of choosing to live in either KS or MO, so which state is more gun-friendly?
 
I can't speak for Kansas, but MO pretty good gun laws; castle doctrine and CCW. When CCW passed, it also allowed citizens to carry a handgun in their car without a permit. We just got rid of the handgun purchase permit, so you can just walk into a store and walk out with the pistol of your choice. (Previously you had to get a permit from the Sheriff's office and pay $10. It took about 15 minutes here, but the cities could take much longer, but anyway it's gone.)

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MO recognizes FL CCW, so you should be good to go.
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Perhaps more importantly, we have the outstanding and tradition rich University of Missouri Tigers. The tiger being an outstanding and respectable mascot. KU just has some ugly red and blue chicken sort of thing. :evil: (What gun for Jayhawk?) (What kind of Mizzou alum would I be without a little KU bashing...all in fun, of course. :neener:)

Hopefully someone from up in the KC area will chime in with more direct comparison info. Either way, welcome to the midwest where we don't allow lake effect snow.
RT
 
Whether you move to Kansas or Missouri, there is a good indoor handgun and smallbore rifle range in Overland Park, KS called the Bullethole. It is right next door to Hodgdon Powder Co. Hodgdon originally owned it, but doesn't anymore. It was actually the first public indoor shooting range in the country.
 
The firearms laws at this point aren't significantly different between the two states. It remains a pain in the butt when you find a nice handgun in a store on the other side of the line and have to get it transferred, but that's about the extent of the downside around here.

I'd think more about the commute than the state line. The KC Metro area is absolutely ginormous. My sister lives in an outer suburb on the south end of town, and it's over 50 miles from her house to the airport.

BTW, Fiorello's serves the world's best barbecue, and their original location is just a few miles from my house.
 
just a heads up, KS's carry laws suck compared to MO's. I'd argue that with all the restrictions KS puts on legal carry, that a permit there is almost useless.
 
I live in overlandPark Kansas, if i had my way i would live in MO. the only bad thing about Missouri is that it is next to Kansas.
There are too many different takes on carry here, from city to city there is no one voice and each local PD takes it's own stance on CC.
The class 3 situation here is a NO and forget about a suppersor.
The Bullethole is ok, but when it's buisy the place fills up with smoke and the lighting could be better but at least it's a place to shoot.
Im not to up to date on other ranges here but there are 2 or 3, powder creek and mill creek and we have on south of Olathe invite only. trap and skeet riffel and pistol ranges, Hit the state sites for public hunting areas, there's a good refuge south of us, duck and goose. everything else is western kansas based hunting if you want numbers.
And there is the one and only Simmons Gun Repair in kansas(i have to plug us), the owner knows more places to hunt than anyone else.
 
I would pick MO if I were you. The reason is not gun related. Ks has the highest tax on tagging your vehicle than any other state. Ks fuel prices are always .10-.15 higher. There is an excellent gun outdoor gun club in Topeka, Capital City Gun Club. Very many nice folks there. CCW laws about the same.
 
I'd have to agree with Gary on taxes. Kansas is the greediest state I have ever seen. Gun laws are a wash. I'd also look at how much it costs for auto insurance in each location. Kansas has always been about 10 years behind Missouri it seems. Lots more public hunting in Missouri.

Scott
 
Perhaps more importantly, we have the outstanding and tradition rich University of Missouri Tigers. The tiger being an outstanding and respectable mascot. KU just has some ugly red and blue chicken sort of thing. (What gun for Jayhawk?) (What kind of Mizzou alum would I be without a little KU bashing...all in fun, of course. )

Oh no you didn't!

Jealousy is a terrible thing, isn't it?

Rock Chalk Jayhawk KU!

:neener:

Also, +1 on the Bullethole being a great shop/range. It's where I bought my Glock from. Knowledgable staff, wide selection, and a good pistol range to boot.
 
if you're going to live in KC, get used to traffic jams. It's got the worst traffic I've seen. There's nothing wrong with kansas if you like open, empty land. I remember the only time i've ever fallen asleep at the wheel was on interstate 70 going from east to western kansas.

MO is a decent enough state otherwise, plenty to do in KC. I'd say avoid the suburbs to KC since you're going to have to commute to work. Like was mentioned the KC area is massive and their baseball team stinks bad, same with their NFL team and even their new nascar track ain't that great. They've got some real lousy folks in KC, but I guess you find those everywhere. I actually miss the KC area, haven't been there in years. If you get angry or bored, you can drive west for hours without seeing any traffic, just keep following the roads and your compass. Plenty of dirt roads out there by Manhattan ks to mess around with and they've got a school there with some good times in uh... margaritaville, they call it.

The women in Kansas weren't very impressive....at least what I saw of them. But, Kansas is also about the second most desolate place I've seen short of South Dakota. that's a state.... you can seriously get LOST in SD without leaving the highways. Seriously, if you do see a street sign it may be so rusted it's not readable.

St. Louis is a great city, they've got a great fun-loving young group of folks that fill up the bars every night I was there. The roads in that city are confusing, so car pool when you visit there from KC.

Go visit KC before you move, you may love it (or abhor it). It's just one of those kinda cities. A lot like Dallas, you kinda get a grimy feeling while you're running around up there, kinda humid and muggy...but not like New Orleans where it smells like urine year round. (sorry to New Orlean's folks). Among the places I've been in the midwest, it's probably a 9 where I'd say that Pierre, SD and Stillwater,OK are 1's (Stillwater smells like a truck that you can't seem to figure out why it's eating 2 quarts of oil a week). Compare KC's gun acceptance to that of, oh... I'd say Florida. It's kinda a "great, so you've got a gun, what do I care?" attitude kinda place.

Go down to Dallas and it's more like "great, here's what I've got. The rest are at home" seriously, pulling out a Kimber in TX was like opening the hood of my Chevelle in Tucson... everyone came over just to say "neat. have you seen mine?"

Makes Manhattan seem... civilized.
 
KU Alumni and former Kansas resident bump. My bud still living in Overland Park tells me its completely overrun with liberal Yuppies these days. When I lived there near 103rd & Quivira, it was mostly farm land not much further south of there, but now I guess its all developed. Some farmers got rich for sure. I don't miss the winters, but man those spring thunderstorms were awesome.
 
i have to say Mo is the way to go..i came from Illinos so anything is better than that but i feel it is a good state to live in
 
Missouri hands down.

MUCH better carry laws.
Better self-defense case law.
Class 3 state.
Equally good gun laws.
Hills and green stuff, good deer hunting.
Etc.
 
MO gets my vote on guns

I live about 10 blocks west of 103rd and Quivira, in Lenexa, KS. If you have kids to raise, the Shawnee Mission and Blue Valley schools in KS are hard to beat. Ks gun laws are evolving right now, we have a pro-gun eager legislature and Queen B**CH anti-gun governor and AG. Our gun laws aren't quite up to where Missouri's are, but we are working hard on it. I own land in both states and register my vehicles, RV, ect at my farm in MO, my wife and kids cars are registered here. Taxes are very high here but the schools are great, in Kansas City, Mo your taxes are high and the schools are unaccredited. The CCH license is expensive in KS compared to MO and overall I pick MO as one of the gun friendliest states in the country as they honor any state CCH permit issued. As a previous poster mentioned the airport is a drive and since I only travel east by car, I'll take his word for how boring western KS is. If you move to MO, you really need to live out away from the city, as the crime, congestion and poor highways are something to deal with. Mike
 
My brother is President of a rifle and pistol club in KS in Johnson county, the Mill Creek rifle club. I'm not sure if that is the official name, but PM me if you need his contact info. :)
 
I've lived here in NE Kansas for almost 36 years and I don't think it's as bad as some on here proclaim. However, if you're working in MO then right now you should probably live in MO as the 2 states are about to go to war over income taxes and deductions for cross-border workers.

MO does allow NFA weapons, but you're going to need a C&R license to own one. KS CCW isn't as bad as the fly proclaims now that HB2528 passed. KS will only recognize a permit issued in your home state and unfortunately NY and KS don't recognize each other's permits. It'll be an 8 hour class, you can find one in KS for around 90 bucks and will take 45 days to process. Don't know about MO.

KS right now has a staunchly conservative Legislature with a liberal Governor and an Lt. Governor and Ag who are political mercenaries who change party depending on where the money's at. Missouri's politics is pretty much controlled by the Democrat machines in KCMO and STL.

Mo may have more public hunting, but you'll need to put the motor vehicle in 4 Low simply to traverse the Interstate highways, they're terrible.
 
Thanks so far

This is excellent background info to begin compiling. I appreciate all of the input.

School district will be important as I have a youngsetr getting ready for elementary in another year or two.

Job will be in downtown KC, MO. I expect a miserable commute from a suburb.
 
I live in a inner suburb of KCMO on the Kansas Side. I would look at school district #1. KCMO schools have an olympic sized swimming pool, fencing classes, and bunches of computers. Unfortunately no one graduates or is able to read.

The gun laws tilt MO, but unless you want a CLass 3 it is not a huge advantage. KCMO has an earnings tax, so 1% of your income is gone right off the bat. As mentioned above, they might be an state v state income tax war brewing, so living in KS and working in MO might get costly.

My advice is get an apartment for 6 months until you get a feel for the town. I would be more than happy to spend some time at the Bullet hole with you on a Saturday, I am sure some others would too. We like excuses to slip away from the wife.
 
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