Remington 1858 .44 New Model Army.

[GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL]

Mr. MyKeal, thank you sir. I just erased my post just a second before I read your answer.
That's okay. I know the post was on the wrong thread anyway. I was only going to leave it there awhile in the hopes that you would find it.
You gave me my answer. Thank you sir...Okay...

 

[GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL]

Im283, yeah. I don't know if it's true or not and I'vd never paid much attention to it but like I have heard and read many times that with a muzzleloader one should always fire a 'fouling' shot...Okay...

 

[Gaucho Gringo]

I normally load my Pietta 1858 Remington with 25 gr of Triple Seven. I use a cylinder loader to load with. To me it is faster using it as opposed using the loading lever. When my cylinder is loaded the balls sit about halfway down the cylinder. One of these days I am going to see how much a full cylinder load would be on my gun. Not to shoot, but just to satisfy my curiosity. The way things look I am thinking it may be around 45-50 gr. I am not sure I would want to shoot that much in my gun.
Gentleman of the Charcoal you have a nice sister. I have one too and I know what you mean about family. It is the one sure thing in life.

 

[GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL]

Gaucho Gringo, good morning sir.
Gaucho, I don't think you're going to have much luck trying to stick 45 to 50 grains of powder in one of the chambers on a Remington 1858...Okay...
Thank you for the compliment...

 

[DuncanSA]

Thank you gentlemen for a most interesting discussion. I have enjoyed and learnt from it.

 

[Smoke Stick by Five]

I have a S/S Euroarms and shoot 30gr fff Goex and .454 balls 100 yds everytime while lookin' over the blade. Cleans quick with Windex (glass cleaner water based) lube it with a little Miltec and and does make cleanin' even faster. Three patch white on the Smokepole. Also 45 to 50gr. will be max to the top of cylinder but no room to plug it. and will the frame take it.

 

[Coyote Rider]

Now, where the heck do you find competition Remmies? I imagine that's not something Cabela's carries. Or is it? The photo of Duncan's 1858 doesn't look like the pictures I've seen of "target" Remmies with the large (and I think inelegant looking) front sights.

Anyway, how much does a competition model cost over a regular one, and who has the best prices?? Anybody know?

 

[sundance44s]

DixieGunWorks sells them ..it`s called the shooters model by Pietta .around 600 bucks ..

 

[GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL]

I have heard of somebody (Hege or something like that) that made what they refer to as a high end competition model.
But the way I meant it was that he probably took extra good care of it because of the way it's cased up and all. Sort of like he just took it out for certain types of shooting...Okay...

 

[Mike OTDP]

There are several Remington repros aimed at serious competitive shooters. Pietta makes one, Pedersoli makes a better one, Hege has a superb piece - with prices to match. You get what you pay for.

 

[Bad Flynch]

I own one of DGW's Shooter's Revolvers and it is a fine piece. The older ones had a gain-twist barrel and the newer ones, a straight twist. The fit and finish are very good: everything is just right out of the box.

I have ordered a Pedersoli 1858 through Flintlocks, Etc. and it should arrive about the 1st of March or thereabouts from Italy. I don't know how long it takes to get off the ship, to Flintlocks, Etc., and thence to me.

At any rate, I plan to try an experiment with my Ransom Rest and see which of these, along with a standard Pietta, is the better revolver.

 

[sundance44s]

I probally just got lucky on my first Pietta regular Remmie ...the windage was perfect right out of the box ..and from a bench ..it`s a tack driver ..I see the shooter Remmie has the dovetailed in front sight , to correct windage of course the Uberti comes that way ..my Uberti was shooting a little left , but moveing the front sight fixed that . I sure have been thinking about buying a shooters Remmie , because of the gain twist rifleing ...but then again ,, I might save that 600 bucks to put down on a USFA Remmie ..

 

[1858rem]

how much 777 you ask?

i have loaded up to 47 grains of 777 and a 200 grain conical bullet. with the velocity i definitely need better lube, accuracy is great for about the first 6 shots but leading can get pretty bad and the core pin get clogged much after 6 shots. best accuracy around 25 to thirty grains of 777 making about 1-1.5 inch at 25 yd off a rest....... 3" freehand. real fun guns jus wish they were a bit easier/quicker to clean=more time shooting. i can useually shoot 150 rounds in a few hours an w/777 it works fine an no jam. anybody know some one that sells a hp mold for the 1858.... need approx .450 cause the cylinder miked at .443. would 45 acp mold work/be short enough and right diameter for loading in the 1858?

 

[mykeal]

Otherwise you need a filler wad in the cylinder to close the powder/ball gap.

Nope. There is no reason you can't shoot the gun with less than 35 grains and no wad or filler; in fact, I maintain it's a more accurate load. However, you ALWAYS seat the ball fully into the chamber, even with 15 gr and no wad or filler. The 'gap', if any, MUST be between the ball and the chamber mouth.

 

[Smokin_Gun]

There is no reason you can't shoot the gun with less than 35 grains and no wad or filler; in fact, I maintain it's a more accurate load. However, you ALWAYS seat the ball fully into the chamber, even with 15 gr and no wad or filler. The 'gap', if any, MUST be between the ball and the chamber mouth.

I completely agree with you Mykeal. I use less than the 35gr load with no filler but I do still use my lube pills to keep fouling soft and barrel cleaner.

SG

 

[1858rem]

can you stack the lube pills to act as a filler?

 

[scrat]

Shoot when i saw this thread i almost thought GOC was back. Darn old coot