Remington 582 outer mag tube: how is it secured?

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I have a 582 and it's a great gun. However the outer magazine tube rotates when you twist the inner tube to remove it for loading. You have to hold the outer tube in place. I was trying to figure out how the outer tube is supposed to be secured to the receiver or barrel, but I can't figure it out.

Anyone out there with info?

Thanks!:cool:
 
There is a barrel bracket and a magazine tube ring that hold the tube to the barrel. IIRC, there is a small screw in the bottom of the ring that keeps the tube in place.

Jim
 
I took a close look at the gun the other night... I still can't figure it out. The outer mag tube 44 is a slip-fit onto the front of 15, 6 is the takedown screw into block 3 but doesn't secure the mag tube; there is no screw or pin in either the barrel ring or the takedown block to secure the mag tube.

The only thing I can see is there's a tiny notch in the front face of the block 3, and a very small notch/hole in the mag tube about where that notch meets up with the tube. The only thing I can figure is there should be a tiny detent ball/spring that fits into that hole and keeps the mag tube from rotating. (However, I can't find anything remotely resembling that on the diagram.) Either that or the slip-fit is supposed to be a lot tighter than it is.

The gun works fine as is; you just have to hold the mag tube with one hand while you rotate the inner mag cap with the other to remove it... I just don't think it's supposed to be that way. :confused:
 
Bumping an old thread... Finally got around to taking this rifle out the other day, with a replacement inner tube.

Problem #1: With a fully loaded magazine (the last bullet tip visible through the loading cutout in the outer mag tube) I couldn't get the inner tube seated far enough to rotate the pin into place. I imagine there's some corrosion or crud or something in the upper end of the tube. I assume the black pin is just tapped into place, securing the knurled cap... any ideas on which way it comes out?

Problem #2: The loose outer mag tube is really a problem now. If any of you have a better idea of how it should be secured please let me know. I really like the lines and handling of this rifle but I'd also like it to actually work. :)
 
I have a Remington 572 here in the shop for refinishing so I just went out and looked at. It's not the same rifle as your's but is a tube fed .22 Remington so it should be close.

First, the pin in the plunger tube presses out to either side but it's easier to get it out from the "short"side. The tube itself MUST be supported when you tap it out or you will dinger up the tube. I use a V block when I take them apart.

Most likely, it's a brass tube so rust will not be a problem there. The spring itself can rust though. I have seen a lot of tube fed .22's that just will not take the last round up to the loading "window".

The outer mag tube is held in place (On the 572) with a screw thru the collar near the front end. There's another screw in the rear collar just in front of the receiver. The outer tube has a hole where the tip of the screw goes into. It's threaded into the collar with the tip just barely sticking thru to the inside. That "just barely sticking thru" tip goes into the hole in the tube. If it protrudes more than just a tiny amount, it will interfere with the rounds sliding in the tube. Make sure your's has the screws or that the outer tube is not smushed in all of the way around, allowing the tube to rotate. Generic outer and inner tubes are available if you need to replace it. Hope this helps. Keep yer powder dry, Mac.
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Ooops! I just re-read your last post and see where you have a new inner tube already. If it holds less rounds with the new tube, the plunger at the open end is longer or the spring is longer. The only way to tell will be to take them both apart and compare parts.

Regarding the rotating outer tube: I have seen several of them with a cross pin instead of a screw. You're mentioning the "Notch" makes me think that it uses a cross pin. Look at the sides of the guide. Is there a tiny pin hole size hole in it? Is it just gunked over? A cross pin would go thru the hole in the guide, along the notch in the tube and then out the other side of the guide. That would lock the tube in place. The only other place where the tube can be locked, is on the reciver. Have you looked there? Keep yer powder dry, Mac.
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Bump in case some fresh blood has any info... I can see no provision for a cross pin. Anyone out there have one of these and can take a good look at how the mag tube is secured for me?
 
I don't have a clue how it was originally attached,.
But I bet a couple of drops of Blue Lock-Tight in the mag tube ring would keep it from turning.

Easily removed with a heat-gun later if you figure it out.

rc
 
I just looked at every part on a blow up diagram of that rifle and I just don't see anything there that's designed to lock the tube in place. I have three sugegstions:
1...Look around the base of the tube where it slides into the receiver. Any little holes in the side? Some tube fed rifles use a little screw in the receiver end that goes into a hole on the side of the tube to lock it in place. The screw is very precise. If it's too long, it'll interfere with cartridge feeding.
2...Have you tried contacting Remington?
3...Personally, at this point, I would use some epoxy.
Keep yer powder dry, Mac.
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Thanks... I think I figured it out with some help with the rimfirecentral guys... apparently there's supposed to be a tab on the outer mag tube that is stamped upward and fits into a slot in the barrel block. At least that's the best I can figure out. I'm a bit wary of glue as that will preclude me ever disassembling it again. But I guess we'll see.

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I believe I would drill & tap the block and attach a small metal lock-plate with a tit projecting down into the hole in the tube. Maybe make the hole slightly bigger wouldn't hurt.

It wouldn't be much, cause it can't project inside the tube, but it should do the trick to keep the tube from turning.

rc
 
would you drill tap up through the slot... and then use a screw that had a rectangular/square head to fit in the tube? Or cross drill a pin to hold the square peg thing?

or ...
 
I was thinking just a square washer-like device with a tit on it to fit the hole in the tube.

Drill & tap straight into the block from the front and screw it down.

If you are handy with needle files, make the bottom of the washer a half circle to straddle the tube with the tit in the top of the semi-circle. That will lock it and keep it from turning even if the screw comes loose.

rc
 
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