R.W.Dale
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Good point. Imagine if the bolt handle came off with a live round in the chamber!That'd be interesting!!
point downrange and pull trigger?
Remington 700 bolt handle
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point downrange and pull trigger?
351 WINCHESTER
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Will you ever trust this rifle again? I wouldn't, especially if Remington "fixed" it.
After I get it back from Remington, and verify that nothing else obviously needs warranty repair (I haven't shot it yet), my local gunsmith has a few ideas I'm entertaining. He suggested installing screws through the bolt handle to the bolt body, and a couple of other ideas unrelated to the handle problem.
So basically it'll be on "probation" until my gunsmith gets done with it.
So basically it'll be on "probation" until my gunsmith gets done with it.
MAX100
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That is what I would do too.
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Deercop
If it's well done that actually looks better than new. Kind of a custom look. You should be able to find some pics online. Find one you like and see if he can match the look. The ones I've seen use a cap screw and then countersink so the top of the screw head is dead level with the surrounding bolt handle. Looks very professional and almost factory.
thanks for posting the picture, I have heard of handles coming off Remington 700's, just never seen how it happens.
And yes, you should be upset. This should not happen on a modern factory rifle. This shows slopply manufacturing process control.
And yes, you should be upset. This should not happen on a modern factory rifle. This shows slopply manufacturing process control.
R.W.Dale
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I disagree, I feel it's simply an example of poor design and engineering. The handles should be either forged on as one piece, welded or trapped in place like a Savage.
But soldered on? What is this 1952
tmoniz
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I have and have had several Rem 722's 721's and 700's over the years.
Up until recently I have never heard of any bolt handles coming off.
Someone on several other sites stated they have seen the ground at the range covered with 700 handles.
That's horse manure in my book.
(Probably that same guy.)
Someone has a single "rare" incident occur and then they go on the net and commence with a smear campaign.
Remington makes a good rifle. I will continue to buy their 700 rifles of any vintage.
In the computer industry we have an old saying.
"Stupid User Error."
T
Up until recently I have never heard of any bolt handles coming off.
Someone on several other sites stated they have seen the ground at the range covered with 700 handles.
That's horse manure in my book.
(Probably that same guy.)
Someone has a single "rare" incident occur and then they go on the net and commence with a smear campaign.
Remington makes a good rifle. I will continue to buy their 700 rifles of any vintage.
In the computer industry we have an old saying.
"Stupid User Error."
T
medic15al
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Remington Factory rep, eh?
No need to be an ass about it, it happens time to time.
Sounds as if you are calling him a liar. I know him personally and he isn't in the habit of lying.
From your post count, it looks as if you signed on just to drink the green and yellow kool-aid!
No need to be an ass about it, it happens time to time.
Sounds as if you are calling him a liar. I know him personally and he isn't in the habit of lying.
From your post count, it looks as if you signed on just to drink the green and yellow kool-aid!
No need for name calling here. This is "The High Road". Since you only have 14 posts here I'll assume you're not familiar with the fact THR tries to be a friendlier place than most. tmoniz does have a valid point IMO. I've seen this thread on every major gun forum I've attended in the past week. No offense to your friend but these pictures will be having people for YEARS talking about how easily 700 handles fall off. I'm glad the OP posted what Remington is doing to resolve this. I'm sure his intentions were NOT to smear Remington but to show his understandable dissapointment of his new toy.
Really? I've only posted it on THR and TFL, the two forums I frequent the most.
"Stupid User Error." is a valid point, in your opinion?
Would you have preferred that I not post about this happening?
I personally wouldn't consider a law enforcement weapon a "toy", and I would certainly like for it to be reliable and dependable. The Remington rep I spoke to expressed similar sentiment.
deercop
Others have posted your pictures and complaints on other major forums. Things snowball that's the point to my post. Stupid User Error is obviously childish. I consider all my guns toys similar to ATV's, motorcycles, etc. Hobby stuff you know. My point simply is that this thread will snowball into thousands of shooters worrying about their 700. I trust your smart enough to know this is an isolated case and most folks have used and abused 700's for decades without a hitch. Including military and police forces for decades. I don't think you shouldn't have posted the pics and problem. I'm simply saying the point is valid that this will be blown out of proportion just like Tikka/Sako stainless barrels blowing up. The internet has a way of magnifying things. No offense to you deercop.
Others have posted your pictures and complaints on other major forums. Things snowball that's the point to my post. Stupid User Error is obviously childish. I consider all my guns toys similar to ATV's, motorcycles, etc. Hobby stuff you know. My point simply is that this thread will snowball into thousands of shooters worrying about their 700. I trust your smart enough to know this is an isolated case and most folks have used and abused 700's for decades without a hitch. Including military and police forces for decades. I don't think you shouldn't have posted the pics and problem. I'm simply saying the point is valid that this will be blown out of proportion just like Tikka/Sako stainless barrels blowing up. The internet has a way of magnifying things. No offense to you deercop.
I would certainly like to read these threads on other forums. As I said, I posted on "this" THR and TFL. I am aware of one other person posting on Remington Society. Please provide links to these other forums at your convenience.
Some of my guns are hobby stuff, some aren't. This one, like my Glock 22, Glock 27, and LMT M4, wasn't intended to be in the "hobby" category, as we are authorized to carry personal weapons for LE use.
Some of my guns are hobby stuff, some aren't. This one, like my Glock 22, Glock 27, and LMT M4, wasn't intended to be in the "hobby" category, as we are authorized to carry personal weapons for LE use.
medic15al
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He never said Remngtons in general have bad bolt handle problems, he said HIS had a problem.
And Yes, an ass is how he came across in his post bashing deercop for posting the incident.
14 post is enough to know that the high road, isn't in some cases, but is more often than not. As far as post count, I read far many time before posting due to the fact reading around will usually give me the info I need rather than posting a Q about it.
And just because he posted about a problem, doesn't nean that "everybody" is gonna panic and worry about it. Case in point: GLOCK. GLOCK is well documented in having design flaws such as a non or weakly supported chamber contributing to the "KaBoom" problems. GLOCK hasn't went out of buisiness yet or even hurt from the press about it.
Suppressing info like this results in no improvement as far as R&D goes because they aren't informed about it.
And Yes, an ass is how he came across in his post bashing deercop for posting the incident.
14 post is enough to know that the high road, isn't in some cases, but is more often than not. As far as post count, I read far many time before posting due to the fact reading around will usually give me the info I need rather than posting a Q about it.
And just because he posted about a problem, doesn't nean that "everybody" is gonna panic and worry about it. Case in point: GLOCK. GLOCK is well documented in having design flaws such as a non or weakly supported chamber contributing to the "KaBoom" problems. GLOCK hasn't went out of buisiness yet or even hurt from the press about it.
Suppressing info like this results in no improvement as far as R&D goes because they aren't informed about it.
He never said Remngtons in general have bad bolt handle problems, he said HIS had a problem.
Again this is THR. I'm glad nobody suppressed info. One more time for those in the backseats......this will be magnified by the web. That's not deercop's fault. It is worth noting though. This should not be blown out of proportion IMO.
I've seem fellow benchresters shooting up ammo loaded for a long sold rifle that had some serious bolt lift issues. He shot the whole afternoon next to me with a brass hammer pounding up the bolt handle after each shot. He was shooting to get rid of them for the fireformed brass. 4 or 5 good whacks dozens of times and his handle did NOT fall off. Nobody's gonna be talking about that guy though.
Again this is THR. I'm glad nobody suppressed info. One more time for those in the backseats......this will be magnified by the web. That's not deercop's fault. It is worth noting though. This should not be blown out of proportion IMO.
I've seem fellow benchresters shooting up ammo loaded for a long sold rifle that had some serious bolt lift issues. He shot the whole afternoon next to me with a brass hammer pounding up the bolt handle after each shot. He was shooting to get rid of them for the fireformed brass. 4 or 5 good whacks dozens of times and his handle did NOT fall off. Nobody's gonna be talking about that guy though.
krochus said:
I have three Remington's but I have to agree with krochus on this ... I wish the bolt handle was welded on or better yet one piece not because I feel that they're prone to failure, but rather because it would eliminate a potential failure point. I haven't had any problems with my rifles and have been yanking fairly hard on the .300 WSM bolt in recent weeks, but brazing (or soldering) a bolt handle on just adds one more place where a failure can occur. I'll be addressing this potential point of failure on my three Remingtons in the future for my own piece of mind since I plan on operating the bolts on my rifles thousands of times each. The OPs experience doesn't make me like my rifles any less, I won't be awake at night wondering if a bolt handle is lying on the floor of the safe, and I won't be breaking out my TIG welder this weekend, but I will be "upgrading" my bolt handles at some point.
kyle1974
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not that it helps... but it's definitely an issue of poor brazing. I work with different brazing compounds (BAg24, BAg7) and I've seen this many, many times...
They probably didn't get the braze hot enough and didn't bond...You can see the left hand edge shows a sharp edge, rather than a smoother edge which would indicate the braze was flowing well at the time of the weld. Also notice that none of the braze stuck to the bolt, all of it appears to be on the handle. I've also seen this where a part is not cleaned properly, maybe it was touched with oily gloves or hands... just a guess.
There's probably nothing wrong with the design, as long as it's built to the design. How many remingtons are built with this design, and what is the failure rate? I don't know the exact braze material used, but I know in my application, when the braze is applied correctly, the bond is stronger than both base material in shear.
This is the first time I've seen this... but I don't go around bashing honda when I hear someone's water pump goes out....
and for the record....I'd be very upset. sorry about the luck
They probably didn't get the braze hot enough and didn't bond...You can see the left hand edge shows a sharp edge, rather than a smoother edge which would indicate the braze was flowing well at the time of the weld. Also notice that none of the braze stuck to the bolt, all of it appears to be on the handle. I've also seen this where a part is not cleaned properly, maybe it was touched with oily gloves or hands... just a guess.
There's probably nothing wrong with the design, as long as it's built to the design. How many remingtons are built with this design, and what is the failure rate? I don't know the exact braze material used, but I know in my application, when the braze is applied correctly, the bond is stronger than both base material in shear.
This is the first time I've seen this... but I don't go around bashing honda when I hear someone's water pump goes out....
and for the record....I'd be very upset. sorry about the luck
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I just had this same exact problem happen to me, so perhaps I can offer some advice.
I bought a brand new xcr in 375 back on Jan 6th. Like you I had yet to fire it and had the bolt handle pop off while cycling the bolt. There was almost no resistance when it detached. It just popped off.
I was told it would take three weeks to repair, which seemed fine. But then two weeks in I was told it would actually take about six more weeks. At that point I raised holy Hell. I got in touch with some manager in the customer service department. But most importantly, I think, was that I got the local Remington sales rep involved. You have to remember that pissed off customers make his job difficult and he knows it. So I had the gun store I had bought the rifle from track him down and ask him to get involved. He was courteous and very helpful (neither of which I would say about the customer service department). I ended up getting an entirely new rifle shipped to me within the original 3-week timeframe I was quoted.
I haven't shot the new rifle yet (just got it yesterday), but it appears nice. The bolt handle looks like it was braised on properly from what I can tell. And this one shipped with a much nicer trigger than the original. So I suspect they had someone go through this rifle to make sure they weren't shipping me another lemon.
I probably will have bolt handle screws installed just to be sure. But so far this looks like a much nicer gun.
Hope that helps. I guess the moral is that you shouldn't be afraid to rattle some cages to get your gun back in a timely manner. In fact, I think it's important that you do. Remington lets their quality control and customer service suffer because they think they can get away with it. It's important that the customers (us) not let them. Otherwise they won't fix the problem.
Ben
I bought a brand new xcr in 375 back on Jan 6th. Like you I had yet to fire it and had the bolt handle pop off while cycling the bolt. There was almost no resistance when it detached. It just popped off.
I was told it would take three weeks to repair, which seemed fine. But then two weeks in I was told it would actually take about six more weeks. At that point I raised holy Hell. I got in touch with some manager in the customer service department. But most importantly, I think, was that I got the local Remington sales rep involved. You have to remember that pissed off customers make his job difficult and he knows it. So I had the gun store I had bought the rifle from track him down and ask him to get involved. He was courteous and very helpful (neither of which I would say about the customer service department). I ended up getting an entirely new rifle shipped to me within the original 3-week timeframe I was quoted.
I haven't shot the new rifle yet (just got it yesterday), but it appears nice. The bolt handle looks like it was braised on properly from what I can tell. And this one shipped with a much nicer trigger than the original. So I suspect they had someone go through this rifle to make sure they weren't shipping me another lemon.
I probably will have bolt handle screws installed just to be sure. But so far this looks like a much nicer gun.
Hope that helps. I guess the moral is that you shouldn't be afraid to rattle some cages to get your gun back in a timely manner. In fact, I think it's important that you do. Remington lets their quality control and customer service suffer because they think they can get away with it. It's important that the customers (us) not let them. Otherwise they won't fix the problem.
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