Remington 700 need help on picking

[blackwell bikes]

I am very interested in upgrading of my junk savage 340. to a more refined varmint rifle. so my obvious decision was a 700 action. I would like a 222 700 but after finding they are going for 900 dollars or more. i think it would be best to go with the 223 as it will be much cheaper. I will be shooting shooting it 100-200yds and i would like a 700 that would be as accurate as the .222 round was. I see little use for the 22-250,220r,220swift or other higher powered .22s when I do not have a place to shoot them at a proper distance. I would like the best accuracy to price 700 .
So i have been looking over different models offered

Remington vtr 223. cool made for cooling"wait 223 cooling?" comfortable stock?

what about the pps is that the one with the H and S stock? better bedding?

does any of this matter? all that much? sorry if this question has been beaten like a dead horse.

 

[Rokman]

There are a lot of 700 models that will give you good accuracy, but most of the stocks feel very cheesy to me. I would definately look for one in 1-9" twist if you want to shoot anything heavier than 55 grains. The VTR would probably work, or one of the SPS models.

 

[birdshot8's]

which cartridge is your "junk" 340 chambered?

 

[Geno]

($899.00) The Police models has the HS Precision aluminum bedding block.

($600.00) The SPS Tactical model has a Hogue rubber over-mold stock with aluminum pillars.

($500.00) The SPS Varmint is a synthetic stock, no pillars. Also a great rifle.

All three are wonderful rifles. I own all three. All three average 0.25" to .50" groups off the bench. The worst groups I fired in considerable wind gusts was 0.75" with military ball ammo.

Geno

 

[Fremmer]

Yeah, I'd take a close look at a tactical, which is a pretty good deal for what you pay.

 

[blackwell bikes]

thanks you guys really layed it out just the way i was looking for it . I looked at the 1-9 but because i wont be shooting so far with it i feel 50 grain bullets are all i will need. the savage is 222 which is way i am looking for a replacement "varmint caliber". I will take a much closer look at the sps line.does the metal pillar help? cheaper to get a base line model then buy the after market stock? i think it might be

 

[Rokman]

The houge stock's are very nice. Aftermarket Houge stocks run about $100 for their stock with aluminum pilars and easily $200 for the full-length aluminum bedding system. I have an AR that shoots 50 grain bullets just fine with 1-9" twist. If are are going to shoot any 40 grain bullets stick with 1-12" twist.

 

[lowerunit411]

im probably out of line or out of touch but im a fan of the Remington 788 in .22-250
IMHO it is one of the finest actions ever built. there are a lot of after market stocks to be had if you dont care for the cheap original wood furniture. i have 2 788s and i love em.... wicked acccurate

 

[JDGray]

Get a SPS Tactical 20" heavy barrel, and upgrade the stock to a B&C medalist. I mean thats what I would do

 

[Fremmer]

You can start with the tactical, sink some cash into a good scope, and then upgrade the stock and other stuff sometime in the future (if necessary).

 

[blackwell bikes]

So the 1-9 rifling shoots fine with 50-55? that's good so i can always shoot heavier if i find a place. has for the 788 has any one else found them to shoot as good has 700s? for a scope i have have a Redfield fixed 12x i can always use if you guys think it is proper for a .223

 

[Rokman]

I am just going by what my AR will do with 1-9" twist, but I don't think you will be handicapping yourself if you do decide to shoot something heavier. I had a Ruger MK77II with 1-12" and it shot up to 55gr. nicely, but nothing heavier. I have two 1-8" AR's that love my handloads down to 55Gr.

 

[RatDrall]

The Hogue stocks are very flimsy and cheap, compared to the $300 HS Precision stock that comes on the PSS and LTR rifles.

If you hunt around you can find the HS Precision equipped .223 rifles for $800 from time to time....

 

[Geno]

RD:

At least regarding my own rifle, that is inaccurate. I own the Hogue over-mold, the B&C Tactical, and 3 HS Precision stocks. They all shoot equally well. The Hogue stock from my Tactical remained free-floated even with the bi-pod. If someone has one that feels flimsy, there is a manufacture defect and it should be returned.

For that matter, the HS Precision stock on my Police model has to go back to the factory for a repair due to manufacture defect. Guess one doesn't always get what they pay for. The Tactical is a great model, but has a short barrel, which does effect velocity when compared to the Varmint or Police version's 26" barrels. The sole reason I upgraded my Tactical to an HS Precision stock was to have uniformity across all of my heavy-barreled rifles. The HS Precision stock has not rendered my M700 Tactical any more or any less accurate than with the Hogue over-molded stock.

If I were to suggest a particular stock upgrade for any of the heavy barreled rifles, I like my Bell & Carlson Medalist Tactical far and away the most. My Police and my Varmint M700s, in this stock and with the Nightforce scope weigh-in at 16 pounds. Talk about stable, and there is no need for a muzzle break. Link: http://www.stockysstocks.com/servlet/the-108/mcmillan-a5-stock-tactical/Detail

Geno

 

[Rokman]

I have a Houge stock with the full-length aluminum bedding rail on a 30-06 and it is fantastic. It has a great feel and really improved the accuracy on my rifle. I am sure the HS Precision are very good also.

 

[blackwell bikes]

thanks for the help with the stocks and every thing. can any one comment on a scope. i should go with the redfield 12x i have. or a newer confounded variable/fixed?

 

[Rokman]

The new Redfield scopes appear to be a solid scope for the money. I have had good luck with Nikons and Sightrons lately.

 

[blackwell bikes]

this scope is not one of the new line. its an older 12x fixed.side mounted parralax. duplex

 

[Redneck with a 40]

I'd get the Remmy SPS Tactical, I have one in .308 and it is sweet. I really like the heavy barrel and the Hogue stock, its got a soft rubbery feel too it, gives me a very good cheek weld.

Shooting prone off of a bipod, I can keep my 4 shot groups under an inch at 100 yards, some of them, .75".

 

[Detritus]

this scope is not one of the new line. its an older 12x fixed.side mounted parralax. duplex

If you have an older good quality Redfield that is still clear and in good working order, and you are satisfied with/like it. you are unlikely to be satisfied with anything currently on the market that does not at least match the cost of the rifle(s) you're looking at.

does that answer you question at all?


As for which rifle, i have an SPS Varmint in .308, which does NOT have pillars or a bedding block. I have every confidence that once i iron out the ammo related issues i have with this gun, it will be a fine and accurate rifle. but i sometimes wonder if i'd have been happier with an SPS-tactical with the pillared stock. Regardless as soon as i can, i will buying a better stock for it.

 

[G27RR]

Your scope should be fine unless you need a wider field of view. I bought a 700SPSS (extra s for stainless) and swapped it out to a Bell & Carlson stock so that it would have pillars and be fully free floated. It wound up being around $750 or so after the stock swap. I use a Bushnell Elite 6-24x50 tactical scope, but I strongly considered going with a fixed 10x to save some $.

You don't necessarily need to upgrade the basic SPS stock. Mine shot about 1MOA with it. The B&C stock gained about 3/8s MOA so I am able to shoot 5 round groups in the 0.5 to 0.75 MOA range at the local 100yard indoor range.

 

[Geno]

I posted this in another thread, but it is relevant here too. These are pictures of two of my heavy-barrled rigs. I upgrade it, and outfitted it as indicated below. The 3rd and 4th pictures are my M700 Tactical upgraded to an HS Precision stock.

M700 Police .308 Win.
Timney 1.5 pound trigger
Bell & Carlson Tactical Medalist A5 Fully Adjustable stock
Ken Ferrell G-force picatinny rail with 20 MOA off-set (secured via epoxy and TocTite)
Nightforce NXS 5.5-22X56
Leupold Mark 4 30mm rings
Harris bi-pod

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M700 Tactical .308 Win.
X-Mark Pro adjustable trigger set at 3.5 pounds
HS Precision Stock (as sold on Rem Senderos)
Ken Ferrell G-force picatinny rail with 20 MOA off-set (secured via epoxy and TocTite)
Weaver 36X (That might be my BSA 36X...can't tell which)
Leupold Mark 4 rings (not pictured)
Harris bi-pod (not pictured)

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