Remington 870 w/ Elite Tactical Advantage Rhino Rail

[Slvr Surfr]

Plenty of folks buy this......



I think the Socom II is a monstrosity.

With that in mind, I can appreciate the time and energy Cowboy has put into the Rhino Rail.

American made to boot, can't beat that. It's obvious that not everyone will buy one, but that's what makes this country great.

Cowboy, Keep on trucking. This country needs folks to keep on thinking, designing, and building. I think that piece is as high quality and affordable as can be without sacrificing. Unfortunately its not for those of us who are minimalists. With that said, I am sure that their are a lot of folks that will find that the Rhino Rail fits their needs.

I praise the effort!

 

[jon_in_wv]

c0wboy, sometimes you have to realize that people are often set in their ways and they have preconceived notions of what they will accept. One time I had some extra cash so I threw around the idea of manufacturing, on a small scale, some upgraded rear sights for the Keltec P-11s. I was berated and insulted for my "stupid" idea. The P11 isn't a target pistol! The p11 is a close range weapon! WHo uses sights!?! When I opened another thread with a poll to see if there was really any interest in the idea one of the mods got offended and I was banned from BOTH Keltec forums. Most of us would agree that better sights on any weapon is a good idea but in that crowd, no. The same is true of your idea. It might be a great idea and it might sell like crazy, but I don't think this crowd is going to give you a lot of love. The funny thing is if you search around I bet a bunch of these guys have something similar on their other weapons. Personally, I can't stand all those quad rail messes. It ruins the balance and makes the weapon bulky with sharp edges everywhere. I like to keep it simple. That doesn't mean it applies to everyone though.

I give a lot of credit for trying and whether you like the rail or not, it is pretty stinking cool.

 

[desidog]

c0wboy,

I hope you're doing this as a hobby - and not as your primary means of earning. Judging from all the dissent in this thread, selling this product is no sure-thing.

The arguments against the product thus far are: cost, a lack of need for it, weight addition, new sight ergonomics, and re-balancing....While the arguments for buying it are: well-made, US made, lots of places to attach stuff, "cool", & "evil."

Overall, any good business man can see that you're aiming at a small market: 870 owners who are fans of Tacticool. Out of that pool, you're looking for people with the loot to spend on your system (and then other stuff to put on there too), and a lack of interest in a properly fitting gun (ie. sight line/stock comb and balance), and don't care about weight...not quite a recession-proof business plan. Personally, I'd invest all that loot in a second gun instead, and have two.

I imagine that you need some serious machinery to fabricate those rails, as well as your time and effort, and paying out for materials. Then a place to do it, overhead, etc.

So, if you have all that other stuff in place, and obviously extensive know-how for machining; why not ask around THR for products that we all wish were out there, but aren't? This is a great medium for floating and vetting business ideas...I think that if you'd asked for a consensus here earlier on in your process, you might have seen this thread as a strong market-indicator and pointed in a different direction.

I'd start by looking at other overpriced products out there, and figuring out a better design that is cheaper than the competition....It's nice to see entrepreneurship, and I wish you good luck, but i don't think this product will be as successful as you do.

Perhaps another reader here can suggest something not-yet-invented and gun-related and highly useful that we'd all buy, and you can make.

 

[c0wboy]

Desi,

I appreciate your comments, but believe me there are more folks interested in this than on the forums. Last week we signed with a marketing genius who has close ties with one of the major outlets. Given this guy's resume and how enthusiastic he is about the the Rhino rail, I foresee success.

On top of that, we've made the front page of Harris Tactical. We expect good things from that as well.

http://www.harristactical.com/harristactical/Harris_Tactical.html

Granted while our manufacturing is rock solid, our problem now is that no one know about us. But considering that we are displaying at the NRA show in Charlotte in a couple of weeks and meeting face to face with the manufacturers, that will change. Maybe not overnight, but our goal is to shake things up.

Thanks!

Eric

 

[Girodin]

there are more folks interested in this than on the forums

THat is very likely true. There is a market for PGO shoutguns, UGT accessories, etc . People here tend to be shooters that engage in shooting sports, shot gun courses etc. They for the most part have more experience with shotguns than the general market and are more interested in function than looks. One can get all the function this product offers with out the draw backs and certainly without the expense that is why people here are not hot on it. There is however another market that likes things that the believe look cool. My only concern with how deep this product can get into that market is the $350 cost. That's a lot for looks to make one's $250 express look mean.

 

[c0wboy]

$350 is the retail cost, however that oe snot reflect the actual cost offered by distributors. Usually you can find these for $299 retail. On just looking cool, I have to differ with you there. The rail changes the dynamics of the gun in that it reduces the felt recoil by quite a bit, plus offers a one piece solution for those who with to outfit their shotgun with a sighting devices. Want to equip your 870 or 1100 with BUIS and an EOTech HWS? You're covered. There are a ton of accessories that one can choose to equip his rig with, and that why this rail is so flexible.

Thanks!!

Eric

 

[Girodin]

$350 is the retail cost, however that oe snot reflect the actual cost offered by distributors. Usually you can find these for $299 retail.

Are you trying to say that $350 is the MSRP but not what the actual retail price it is likely to actually retail for?

 

[c0wboy]

Correct. Our goal is not to compete with our distributors directly.

http://harristacticalonline.com/product.sc?productId=231&categoryId=78

Thanks!

Eric

 

[c0wboy]

Just replaced the red laser with a bright green laser. Nice.

 

[Gord]

Not sure why you'd want a visible laser giving someone a definite line of sight back to a "defensive" weapon, but okay. What distance is it regulated to?

 

[c0wboy]

It's a 5mw laser, but it's mighty bright. I'm squared up at 15 yards, figure anything in the house will be at that range or within.

 

[stiletto raggio]

Cowboy,

While I can see that your rail system is indeed well-machined, I think you better re-vamp your preferred comparison. You are comparing your rail--which is 24" on the top but only 4" on the other three sides--with the Sig rail, which is 10" on each of its four sides. Total rail space for yours is 36", while the Sig rail has a total of 40". While your rail is obviously larger in circumference at the front (because the barrel/mag tube portion of a shotgun is larget than the barrel/gas tube portion of an AR) it still weighs more than the sig rail, which is your chosen point of comparison.

I know there are other factors here, but understand that the comparison to the Sig rail does not make your point very well.

 

[c0wboy]

Actually it does... because there's more to the Rhino than just rail. There's the saddle area, plus heatshield, and thicker tough wall construction. In the end the comparison is that the Sig quad is ~10" long and it weighs in at almost the same weight as the 24" Rhino rail. I think that's fair. We could get the Rhino in at under a pound if we made the walls as thin as an AR quad system, but then it wouldn't be nearly as strong as we would prefer. I guess I could explain it this way. Not one person who has held one of the Rhino rails in their hands (including customers, distributors, or buyers) has said that it was too heavy. In fact they all have said that it weighed a lot less than they expected and were pleasently surprised. It's only on the interweb, not in the real world, where folks assign prejudged weight to the system.

Thanks !

Eric

 

[OneKYards]

All I know is that I like it. You need to mount an EOTech XPS or Micro? Need to mount a laser and a light, done. What other product will allow me to do this on my Remington 870 or 1100??? No F'n where.

 

[OneKYards]

I think the Socom II is a monstrosity.

With that in mind, I can appreciate the time and energy Cowboy has put into the Rhino Rail.

American made to boot, can't beat that. It's obvious that not everyone will buy one, but that's what makes this country great.

Cowboy, Keep on trucking. This country needs folks to keep on thinking, designing, and building. I think that piece is as high quality and affordable as can be without sacrificing. Unfortunately its not for those of us who are minimalists. With that said, I am sure that their are a lot of folks that will find that the Rhino Rail fits their needs.

I praise the effort!

Exactly, plenty of people buy the SOCOM II. It is a 16" .308 caliber pig. If I am going to carry a 7.62 that heavy, it had better be an M60 or M240G. It does have it's place. Firepower, not limited to attachments and compact in nature.

 

[OneKYards]

The combination of the stock and sights puts the sights too high.

You don't need a light, sights and a laser. The pressure switch should be controlling the light. The laser should be gone.

The sights are too fine and precise for a shotgun, even with slugs.

I don't doubt that the rail is well made and I'll take your word that it's worth the money. The relevant question that seems to have gone unasked is it useful? Frankly, I don't see how. You could certainly mount a set of sights and a light without it.

Anything on a tactical shotgun should be reliable, simple and above all useful.

And that's your opinion, which is appreciated but not the law or 100% correct by any means. Based on your description of the shotgun and it's needs...you speak of a Skeet/Sporting Shotgun? Haha! There's nothing wrong with a straight up wood stock Remington 870 shotgun with no other purpose than to spray lead on target.

I have a Mesa Tactical High Tube, Collapsible Buttstock kit installed on a Remington 870 Tactical Magnum. Anything less in height than Iron Sights/EOTech level, you would be over the top. With this rail system, you can run lower profile sights (i.e., Troy low profile for Sig556, FN SCAR, VLTOR CAS-V, Robinsons Armament XCR height Sights if you have a low to standard drop at the comb stock). You can also run an Aimpoint Micro with the factory low profile mount.

This is the 21st Century and things do evolve. Why not allow the Scattergun to evolve as did the AR platform? There are many old farts who prefer the M14 as it was in 1968 but that's their decision and preference.

Opinions are like A++hol+s, everyone has one. Some stink more than others though...

 

[c0wboy]

I will say this... we're here are the NRA show (Booth 2148 ), and the Rhino Rails are a massive hit. We've got whales wanting exclusivity deals, and manufacturers tossing out numbers that make our heads swoon. It turns out that different folks do have different strokes.

 

[cwbjaxfl]

i think its a good idea cowboy, its not something i would need on my 870, but i am sure there are people out there that would use it. keep it up! its nice to see something diffrent out there. its funny how many people on here bash a product, just because they would not use it.

 

[OneKYards]

Check it in Action

http://www.youtube.com/user/HarrisTactical

 

[stiletto raggio]

From the poster's commentary on the video: "Notice the hung up shell that was red vs. the Green. It had a smaller dram equivalent with less brass on the neck."

Yeah, right. Operator error, pure and simple. How could anyone recommend such a training-intensive weapon as a pump shotgun when a "professional" with a really neat tactical vest had trouble extracting a standard buckshot round?

Also, does anyone else carry their pistol mags above their nipples? It's a technique.

 

[OneKYards]

It appears that you are the so called "expert" Stiletto. I know plenty of guys who carry back-up pistol pouches on their chest. The one's they need in a hurry are in the pistol and close to their hip. Just the same as AR magpouches on the front...not easy to get to in the prone. That's why most guys will have a pouch on their left or right side with 1-2 mags ready to go. You are supposed to get to cover and use the back-up mags, if needed remember?

 

[OneKYards]

From the poster's commentary on the video: "Notice the hung up shell that was red vs. the Green. It had a smaller dram equivalent with less brass on the neck."

Yeah, right. Operator error, pure and simple. How could anyone recommend such a training-intensive weapon as a pump shotgun when a "professional" with a really neat tactical vest had trouble extracting a standard buckshot round?

Also, does anyone else carry their pistol mags above their nipples? It's a technique.

By the way, I kept going back to the red shell in the video and it did have a smaller brass neck. Take another look.

 

[Art Eatman]

Got too loud.